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TheCreatureOfHabit Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:52 pm
... And kill each other over silly details like the total redshirts that we are!
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:05 pm
Ha ha is this where we will be posting now? Lawrence Eugene ... And kill each other over silly details like the total redshirts that we are!
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TheCreatureOfHabit Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:52 pm
Keithabeth Ha ha is this where we will be posting now? Yes it is!
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:16 pm
Alright, sweet xd In regards to what you said last time we spoke. I can agree with what your seeing. Honestly, I would like for them to put something Star Trek on air. Simply for the fact that it wold be nice to see it on tv again. I'm more interested in a continuation of the series story wise then a reboot. If it was a reboot then it would have to be done very well. I do like the new films because I like how they modernize some things. However, I agree with what you said that the new Star Trek tv series should continue off from the same time frame/story as Voyager/DS9/TNG, etc. Not that long ago I saw that there were rumors going around that people were debating over whether or not there should be a new series or some sort of special celebrating the 50th Anniversary of Star Trek and who would take part in it. It would be cool to see a bunch of characters old and new making cameos. I also saw that Michael Dorn has been pitching the idea for a Worf spin off series for quite awhile. The project has received some backing.
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:08 pm
Did somebody say STAR TREK?
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:57 pm
Hiei Rising Dragon Did somebody say STAR TREK?  That GIF tho XD
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:37 am
Keithabeth Alright, sweet xd In regards to what you said last time we spoke. I can agree with what your seeing. Honestly, I would like for them to put something Star Trek on air. Simply for the fact that it wold be nice to see it on tv again. I'm more interested in a continuation of the series story wise then a reboot. If it was a reboot then it would have to be done very well. I do like the new films because I like how they modernize some things. However, I agree with what you said that the new Star Trek tv series should continue off from the same time frame/story as Voyager/DS9/TNG, etc. Not that long ago I saw that there were rumors going around that people were debating over whether or not there should be a new series or some sort of special celebrating the 50th Anniversary of Star Trek and who would take part in it. It would be cool to see a bunch of characters old and new making cameos. I also saw that Michael Dorn has been pitching the idea for a Worf spin off series for quite awhile. The project has received some backing. I didn't see your post until just now; I am so sorry. DX A Worf spin-off could be pretty cool! Klingons are a favorite species not just in the fandom but in pop culture in general, and who doesn't want a new excuse to learn tlhIngan Hol? XD On that subject, is there anybody else here who wants to see Jason Momoa play a Klingon? I tried my best to love the new movies, I really did. I tried to forget the old faces I grew up with, the original characters and personalities, the lines and tropes... I genuinely wanted to give the reboot a shot, especially after the shitstorm that was Enterprise. It just didn't happen though. Too much of the first movie was focused on modernization rather than quality or rebuilding the Star Trek universe, and too much of the second movie was spent trying to rebuild Khan, one of my favorite villains in the entire cannon. I feel that the root problem was -- I'll say this again -- JJ Abrams' lack of enthusiasm for the canon. He said himself that Star Trek was never his cup of tea and, as such, was the wrong person to bring new life to the series. I'm completely okay with people wanting to bring something new to the Trek table, but it has to be done with love and genuine devotion to what makes Star Trek so unique and wonderful. You can't just drop yourself into a fandom that's generations old and think you can add something of value to the franchise. I want to see an Assignment: Earth series. That was such a cute concept and it would be so much easier to modernize, especially with our society's built-in paranoia and fascination with government conspiracy theory post-9/11. Roberta Lincoln could still be a college graduate looking for a job, only this time she's facing college loans and an oversaturated job market. Gary Seven could be the same eccentric, highly-intelligent agent he was in the pilot, still trying to solve the mystery of the two agents who died in such a weirdly-ordinary way while trying to save the Human race from its crazy self via subtlety, spy-work and the help of a sophisticated computer built by his alien creators... And who the ******** wouldn't love Isis? It would also take the Star Trek universe in a totally new direction that not a lot of people (outside of those who religiously read the EU) would be expecting. Nobody ever got to see what Gene Roddenberry wanted to do with Seven, Lincoln and Isis and, because Trek is now in such a weird little bubble of purgatory, we may never see it at all. Gary Cox's books, while ******** awesome, are only few and don't really cover the extent of what could have been done with the idea. But I guess I'm dreaming too big, haha. No way the entertainment industry would give the series a try these days.
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:44 pm
Lawrence Rados Keithabeth Alright, sweet xd In regards to what you said last time we spoke. I can agree with what your seeing. Honestly, I would like for them to put something Star Trek on air. Simply for the fact that it wold be nice to see it on tv again. I'm more interested in a continuation of the series story wise then a reboot. If it was a reboot then it would have to be done very well. I do like the new films because I like how they modernize some things. However, I agree with what you said that the new Star Trek tv series should continue off from the same time frame/story as Voyager/DS9/TNG, etc. Not that long ago I saw that there were rumors going around that people were debating over whether or not there should be a new series or some sort of special celebrating the 50th Anniversary of Star Trek and who would take part in it. It would be cool to see a bunch of characters old and new making cameos. I also saw that Michael Dorn has been pitching the idea for a Worf spin off series for quite awhile. The project has received some backing. I didn't see your post until just now; I am so sorry. DX A Worf spin-off could be pretty cool! Klingons are a favorite species not just in the fandom but in pop culture in general, and who doesn't want a new excuse to learn tlhIngan Hol? XD On that subject, is there anybody else here who wants to see Jason Momoa play a Klingon? I tried my best to love the new movies, I really did. I tried to forget the old faces I grew up with, the original characters and personalities, the lines and tropes... I genuinely wanted to give the reboot a shot, especially after the shitstorm that was Enterprise. It just didn't happen though. Too much of the first movie was focused on modernization rather than quality or rebuilding the Star Trek universe, and too much of the second movie was spent trying to rebuild Khan, one of my favorite villains in the entire cannon. I feel that the root problem was -- I'll say this again -- JJ Abrams' lack of enthusiasm for the canon. He said himself that Star Trek was never his cup of tea and, as such, was the wrong person to bring new life to the series. I'm completely okay with people wanting to bring something new to the Trek table, but it has to be done with love and genuine devotion to what makes Star Trek so unique and wonderful. You can't just drop yourself into a fandom that's generations old and think you can add something of value to the franchise. I want to see an Assignment: Earth series. That was such a cute concept and it would be so much easier to modernize, especially with our society's built-in paranoia and fascination with government conspiracy theory post-9/11. Roberta Lincoln could still be a college graduate looking for a job, only this time she's facing college loans and an oversaturated job market. Gary Seven could be the same eccentric, highly-intelligent agent he was in the pilot, still trying to solve the mystery of the two agents who died in such a weirdly-ordinary way while trying to save the Human race from its crazy self via subtlety, spy-work and the help of a sophisticated computer built by his alien creators... And who the ******** wouldn't love Isis? It would also take the Star Trek universe in a totally new direction that not a lot of people (outside of those who religiously read the EU) would be expecting. Nobody ever got to see what Gene Roddenberry wanted to do with Seven, Lincoln and Isis and, because Trek is now in such a weird little bubble of purgatory, we may never see it at all. Gary Cox's books, while ******** awesome, are only few and don't really cover the extent of what could have been done with the idea. But I guess I'm dreaming too big, haha. No way the entertainment industry would give the series a try these days. Yeah, I really hope Worf's series goes through. It would be cool to see other characters from past series get their own spin offs as well. Who would you want to see the most?
You should check this out if you already haven't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W1_8IV8uhA
Also, so if someone else directed the films would you be more on board?
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:07 pm
Keithabeth Yeah, I really hope Worf's series goes through. It would be cool to see other characters from past series get their own spin offs as well. Who would you want to see the most?
You should check this out if you already haven't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W1_8IV8uhA
Also, so if someone else directed the films would you be more on board? It's not so much that I would be on board as it is that it would be better for the franchise. As someone who didn't really understand or care to understand the rich history and fan flavor of Star Trek, JJ Abrams was not fit to direct the recent Star Trek movies and that is why they were, in my opinion, failing in multiple categories. 1) The character development, especially the weird romance between Spock and Uhura, was horrifically lacking, and certain other characters, like Sulu and Chekov, lacked the personality that made them seem real in the old series and movies. Recurring characters pivotal to Trek canon, such as Carol Marcus and (for ******** sake) KHAAAAAAAAAN, were needlessly warped without any explanation. No amount of time travel could explain why Carol Marcus suddenly had a British accent despite having an American father, nor could it possibly explain why a genetically-enhanced Indian from the 21st century remembered for his dignity, eloquence and ruthlessness was suddenly a weepy, Jesus-blooded loose cannon with skin white as the Enterprise's hubcaps. 2) The ship itself was poorly designed, flooded with unnecessary spotlights and so many pointless wires and tubes that the engine room looked more like a McDonalds playplace than an actual Star Trek space ship. Very little attention was paid to the actual design and was pushed to the wayside so Abrams could show off how Spielberg he could be. Yes, direction is an art and it's great to express it, but there's a time and a place. 3) The aliens were all ploys, plot devices, team mascots and comic relief, instead of being used to mimic the way we Humans see other races in a meaningful way (ie: the Klingons were originally created as an analogy for America's fear of Cold War-era Russians, and the Cardassian/Bajoran conflict had direct parallels to the relationship between Jews/Israel and post-Nazi Germany). I can't say who exactly could have done it better, but I'm fairly certain that JJ Abrams should have followed his better judgement and focused solely on his true passion, Star Wars. Star Trek was just a paycheck for him and, after I took off the nostalgia goggles, that truth was painfully obvious in the way he directed it. I'm always on board for anything new in the Star Trek universe. I would hate for its last good days to stay buried in the 90's. JJ Abrams just wasn't the right person to resurrect it, and I only hope that the new fans created by those movies went back and watched some of the old series and discovered what's really so great about the franchise. *steps off of soap box* As for characters I'd like to see come back, other than Gary Seven, I'd like to see something good done with Khan. There's a few books by Gary Cox, "The Eugenics Wars (I and II)" and "To Reign in Hell", that I would love to see become an inspiration for a series covering Khan's childhood and, later, his exile on Ceti Alpha V. I would also love to see a series that follows the adventures of Excalibur, Captain Sulu's ship. Hell, get Takei in the captain's chair again! That would be awesome! BTW, I just read this about the development of Khan's character and had a feels attack. "Khan's full name was based on that of Kim Noonien Singh, a pilot Gene Roddenbery served with during the Second World War. Roddenbery lost touch with his friend and had hoped that Khan's similar name might attract his attention and renew his old acquaintance."
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:22 pm
BTW, I'm watching the video now. This is what I'm talking about. You can actually see love in the project, despite the canon discrepancies here and there. Even Soval's appearance is forgivable (as much as I hated Enterprise). The main thing I like about this is that it feels like Star Trek. The movies were more of what JJ Abrams thought was Star Trek. In this short little vid, there is more detail, more canon, more spaceships, aliens, philosophy and political commentary than there was in both new movies combined, and that's what you need to make a good Star Trek film. It's not just aliens and explosions; it's commentary and social theory. This I like. This I want to see more of.
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TheCreatureOfHabit Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:43 am
Yeah I guess you do have a good point there. In the reboot besides Kirk and a really tiny brief moment of Spock's childhood they don't really explain anything about the characters. They just kinda expect you to know them automatically. It would be nice to explain how Spock and Uhura's relationship developed instead of just saying without saying they are a couple. To be honest it seems really important to give back story on well, everything :/ Especially with what happened to the Klingons.
I saw that they are attempting a restoration project of the original enterprise bridge; considering it got destroyed. It's going to be part of a sci fi museum attraction.
Is Kim Noonien Singh where Gene came up with the name for Data's father/inventor? It kinda sounds like it a little.
You know I have read any Star Trek novels yet but I keep hearing good things about it. That project I posted the video of is heavily influenced by some of the novels. That's probably why it's very canon looking. Lawrence Rados Keithabeth Yeah, I really hope Worf's series goes through. It would be cool to see other characters from past series get their own spin offs as well. Who would you want to see the most?
You should check this out if you already haven't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W1_8IV8uhA
Also, so if someone else directed the films would you be more on board? It's not so much that I would be on board as it is that it would be better for the franchise. As someone who didn't really understand or care to understand the rich history and fan flavor of Star Trek, JJ Abrams was not fit to direct the recent Star Trek movies and that is why they were, in my opinion, failing in multiple categories. 1) The character development, especially the weird romance between Spock and Uhura, was horrifically lacking, and certain other characters, like Sulu and Chekov, lacked the personality that made them seem real in the old series and movies. Recurring characters pivotal to Trek canon, such as Carol Marcus and (for ******** sake) KHAAAAAAAAAN, were needlessly warped without any explanation. No amount of time travel could explain why Carol Marcus suddenly had a British accent despite having an American father, nor could it possibly explain why a genetically-enhanced Indian from the 21st century remembered for his dignity, eloquence and ruthlessness was suddenly a weepy, Jesus-blooded loose cannon with skin white as the Enterprise's hubcaps. 2) The ship itself was poorly designed, flooded with unnecessary spotlights and so many pointless wires and tubes that the engine room looked more like a McDonalds playplace than an actual Star Trek space ship. Very little attention was paid to the actual design and was pushed to the wayside so Abrams could show off how Spielberg he could be. Yes, direction is an art and it's great to express it, but there's a time and a place. 3) The aliens were all ploys, plot devices, team mascots and comic relief, instead of being used to mimic the way we Humans see other races in a meaningful way (ie: the Klingons were originally created as an analogy for America's fear of Cold War-era Russians, and the Cardassian/Bajoran conflict had direct parallels to the relationship between Jews/Israel and post-Nazi Germany). I can't say who exactly could have done it better, but I'm fairly certain that JJ Abrams should have followed his better judgement and focused solely on his true passion, Star Wars. Star Trek was just a paycheck for him and, after I took off the nostalgia goggles, that truth was painfully obvious in the way he directed it. I'm always on board for anything new in the Star Trek universe. I would hate for its last good days to stay buried in the 90's. JJ Abrams just wasn't the right person to resurrect it, and I only hope that the new fans created by those movies went back and watched some of the old series and discovered what's really so great about the franchise. *steps off of soap box* As for characters I'd like to see come back, other than Gary Seven, I'd like to see something good done with Khan. There's a few books by Gary Cox, "The Eugenics Wars (I and II)" and "To Reign in Hell", that I would love to see become an inspiration for a series covering Khan's childhood and, later, his exile on Ceti Alpha V. I would also love to see a series that follows the adventures of Excalibur, Captain Sulu's ship. Hell, get Takei in the captain's chair again! That would be awesome! BTW, I just read this about the development of Khan's character and had a feels attack. "Khan's full name was based on that of Kim Noonien Singh, a pilot Gene Roddenbery served with during the Second World War. Roddenbery lost touch with his friend and had hoped that Khan's similar name might attract his attention and renew his old acquaintance."
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:27 am
Keithabeth Yeah I guess you do have a good point there. In the reboot besides Kirk and a really tiny brief moment of Spock's childhood they don't really explain anything about the characters. They just kinda expect you to know them automatically. It would be nice to explain how Spock and Uhura's relationship developed instead of just saying without saying they are a couple. To be honest it seems really important to give back story on well, everything :/ Especially with what happened to the Klingons.
I saw that they are attempting a restoration project of the original enterprise bridge; considering it got destroyed. It's going to be part of a sci fi museum attraction.
Is Kim Noonien Singh where Gene came up with the name for Data's father/inventor? It kinda sounds like it a little.
You know I have read any Star Trek novels yet but I keep hearing good things about it. That project I posted the video of is heavily influenced by some of the novels. That's probably why it's very canon looking. No, Kim Noonien Singh was the inspiration for the name "Khan Noonien Singh", which is Khan's full name, LOL. A lot of the novels are really good! There are a few, like the afore-mentioned Gary Cox novels (including the "Q Continuum" series, of course, because who doesn't love Q?) and a choice few others, like "Death Count", "The IDIC Epidemic", "Demons", "Yesterday's Son" and the "Dominion War" quadrilogy that I keep coming back to for rereads. Unfortunately, though, you will have some Mary Sues slip through the cracks because it is a fan-written franchise, much like the Star Wars EU. Unlike the Star Wars EU, you don't have to start at any particular point and there really isn't any order you have to read all the books in. Truth be told, it's probably best you don't start from the beginning, LOL. The first book in the TNG series, "Ghost Ship", was god-awful due to its being written before the show even properly aired. I started reading them after my mother bought a massive cardboard box full of the old books. I think there were about eighty of them in there, LOL, although my little mind could be exaggerating. After that, my siblings and I started robbing them from the library, ordering them over Amazon, and so on until we had the massive collection we've got today. It would be awesome to see (or step onto) the original Enterprise bridge. If they get that restored, I'm making a beeline for whatever museum it's put in.
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TheCreatureOfHabit Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:14 pm
Oh ok, that's really interesting that his name originated from that.
(Apologies for the late reply by the way. It took me awhile to find this thread/post again after my notifications disappeared.)
I'm definitely going to have to check those out then. I saw one that caught my interest that was about Riker and Troi's marriage or something along those lines. Besides the TNG ones though are there any good ones for the original series? Like I'm very interested in alternate storylines or plots for episodes that didn't get used.
It seems like the restoration project is going pretty well. Will truly be amazing upon completion.
Lawrence Rados Keithabeth Yeah I guess you do have a good point there. In the reboot besides Kirk and a really tiny brief moment of Spock's childhood they don't really explain anything about the characters. They just kinda expect you to know them automatically. It would be nice to explain how Spock and Uhura's relationship developed instead of just saying without saying they are a couple. To be honest it seems really important to give back story on well, everything :/ Especially with what happened to the Klingons.
I saw that they are attempting a restoration project of the original enterprise bridge; considering it got destroyed. It's going to be part of a sci fi museum attraction.
Is Kim Noonien Singh where Gene came up with the name for Data's father/inventor? It kinda sounds like it a little.
You know I have read any Star Trek novels yet but I keep hearing good things about it. That project I posted the video of is heavily influenced by some of the novels. That's probably why it's very canon looking. No, Kim Noonien Singh was the inspiration for the name "Khan Noonien Singh", which is Khan's full name, LOL. A lot of the novels are really good! There are a few, like the afore-mentioned Gary Cox novels (including the "Q Continuum" series, of course, because who doesn't love Q?) and a choice few others, like "Death Count", "The IDIC Epidemic", "Demons", "Yesterday's Son" and the "Dominion War" quadrilogy that I keep coming back to for rereads. Unfortunately, though, you will have some Mary Sues slip through the cracks because it is a fan-written franchise, much like the Star Wars EU. Unlike the Star Wars EU, you don't have to start at any particular point and there really isn't any order you have to read all the books in. Truth be told, it's probably best you don't start from the beginning, LOL. The first book in the TNG series, "Ghost Ship", was god-awful due to its being written before the show even properly aired. I started reading them after my mother bought a massive cardboard box full of the old books. I think there were about eighty of them in there, LOL, although my little mind could be exaggerating. After that, my siblings and I started robbing them from the library, ordering them over Amazon, and so on until we had the massive collection we've got today. It would be awesome to see (or step onto) the original Enterprise bridge. If they get that restored, I'm making a beeline for whatever museum it's put in.
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:44 am
Keithabeth Oh ok, that's really interesting that his name originated from that.
(Apologies for the late reply by the way. It took me awhile to find this thread/post again after my notifications disappeared.)
I'm definitely going to have to check those out then. I saw one that caught my interest that was about Riker and Troi's marriage or something along those lines. Besides the TNG ones though are there any good ones for the original series? Like I'm very interested in alternate storylines or plots for episodes that didn't get used.
It seems like the restoration project is going pretty well. Will truly be amazing upon completion.
"Assignment: Eternity" is a really good TOS Star Trek book incorporating Gary Seven, his origins, and even more interaction with the crew of the Enterprise. All the Khan books I mentioned earlier are part of the TOS series as well. "The IDIC Epidemic" is also wonderful, with a two-fold plot dealing with racial and cultural mixing, genetic mutation and bioterrorism. The majority of the "Furies" miniseries is pretty decent; it spans all series and is basically a very long invasion plot dealing with ancient devils and demons and where those stories came from. Definitely check out the "Captain's Table" miniseries as well! "Mind Meld" introduced a really cool species that I honestly adore, and it also puts a Vulcan child in the seat of main character rather than any of the cannon people. "Renegade" is alright, and "Death Count" is all kinds of feels. I read "Death Count" over and over as a kid, partly because it utilized the fan-appointed secondary trio of Sulu, Uhura and Chekov, and partly because it was just so funny, fast-paced and well-written. "The Rift" actually features some characters from "The Cage", which is pretty neat, I guess. You may be talking about the book "Imzadi". My sister and mother read it, but I never did. TNG never really struck my fancy as much as TOS and DS9, although certain crossover books really struck a chord, like "The Battle of Betazed" and Books One and Three of the "Dominion War" miniseries.
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