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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:13 am
I feel kinda shy writing this down, but at the moment I'm at a complete loss as to what to do. I'm a 19 year old girl, currently with a boyfriend for a couple of years, approx. 3 years I think. This post is about him. Better said: about us. I don't think I can take it anymore.
I've also posted this in Life Issues under a mule, I kindly ask you not to give out this username there.. But I figured people here are more likely to read long and stupid posts than at LI.. Dunno if that's true.
About him, you can skip if you want I'll keep this as short as I can.. Ok, my boyfriend, he's not the easiest person to be going out with. He has social phobia and has been badly raised by his parents, then was isolated from the world in the most crucial time of one's life: between 13 - 16 years and he still is isolated (he met me when he was 16 years). So basically, this created a kid in a grown up body. He's immature, although I can cope with that easily. He has a very low self-esteem which drives him into finding all kind of weird passions and interests that suddenly bloom, for one month, and then die away, seeking something he's good at. And all that time he will bother me with that. He's addicted to the pc, because when he was isolated (caused by the death of his dad), he had nothing else to do. He's incapable of a bit of empathy, or well, his empathy is very limited, although this is going better now. He never had an understanding for my feelings or thoughts, in fact, I was never able to talk to him about my issues, because he never gave me the impression he cared. He does though. So he says.
Here's the deal (you should read this, lol) I've done all I could for him (he has social phobia and is isolated, no social life, extremely shy, he has basically no life and addicted to pc, missed a lot of vital lessons in life which makes him kinda hopeless sometimes, most of the times). I've given everything I have in me, I've sacrificed myself in every way I could think of in a hope of helping him getting his life back. We're going out for 3 years and he NEVER had a conversation with my parents, as shy (social phobia) as he is. Understandable, but after three years, it's SO tiring. Whenever we go out in town, he cannot have fun with me, you know, be crazy.. confused That's not even the problem. He has simply never returned the effort. I've tried more to help him than he ever has for himself. All my efforts were in vain. Now, we're back at where we started. Nothing got better. Nothing at all.
Like: (no need to read, just to illustrate the situation): He never even went to the job I got for him. He quit school after three months after I got him there - and in those three months he rarely went there. He's completely dependant of his mother and a friend of hers who lives at them. He's incapable of starting something and properly finishing it. HE NEVER RETURNED THE FAVOR. He's never here for me when I really need him. He went to this clinic thing to get rid of his phobia (again thanks to me) and was kicked out after three months due to lack of motivation, and he promised me that now things would be different, that he would find a job or school or at least get out of the house at least once a day. This was three months ago. WE'RE BACK AT WHERE WE STARTED. It's as if, as if NOTHING happened, as if we're back in time.
What do I do? I feel as if I'm suffocating. We're going out for three years and I've put all my efforts in this relationship because I really love him, with my heart and soul and everything, and he loves me back, even more than I love him I think.
But I simply see no future in us. I mean, I always try to enjoy the present and not look back on the past or look forward to the future - but after three years of going out, that doesn't work anymore. We started talking seriously about perhaps moving in together, etc.. You know.. But now, I'm the one who leads this relationship.. If I one day would say, I don't do anything for us, this relationship would fall to crumbles because I'm the one who organizes everything, when we go out or whatever.. Isn't that supposed to come from both sides? I don't intend to be, for the rest of my life, a fostermother instead of a girlfriend, or wife.. Yet, I love him, really, a lot. pb]And I'm SO, SO afraid of hurting him. I don't want to break up because I don't want to hurt him. And I'm very afraid I will regret it. I'm afraid of the pain, I'm afraid of regret, I'm afraid of missing him, afraid of the guilt I will most certainly feel when I see him devastated at my hands.
..My question is far more simple than my story.. Has anyone ever felt like this, felt like they could continue in a relationship even if they don't love him/her anymore, just.. just not to hurt the other one, just not to have the risk to be hurt yourself, to live a life in regret?
..I'm 19.. Shouldn't I be having fun in life, you know, instead of.. of this mess? What do I do? Please, does anyone have an answer? crying
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:19 am
Also, I'm seeing a psychologist at the moment, because I'm suffering from several problems in my own life. And the question is, if those problems aren't caused by my boyfriend.. Or perhaps, not entirely caused, but at least, that he played a part in the development of these problems.. Such as my (now very fast) growing loneliness that has started a good four, five years ago. I don't want to go in much details. I don't even know where to start right now. If you want to know, please ask.
I also might add that my feelings have been very, very confusing about him, constantly asking myself if I truly still love him, if my love hasn't been killed by the sorrows he causes me, and if those sorrows, if caring so much for him, just makes me think I love him while in fact I don't.
And then there are a couple of guys that I developed feelings for quickly one after another. This cannot be a good sign, right? That's not my thing..
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:53 pm
I have read this to its entirety and have a lot to say, but no time at the moment. I will rush to this as soon as I can.
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:14 am
Well I married a guy like that. You have to realize that loveing someone means loving them for who they are not who you want them to be. I think it is good that you support and encourage him to help himself and that is a good thing. But if he leaves a program due to lack of motivation it sounds like he is not quite ready to make that kind of a change!
There are careers that you can do from home. Addicted to the PC, well encourage him to look for work at home. I know you feel his islolation is a problem, but how does HE feel about it?
See my husband is also socio-phobic... he was unable to even speak to a councelor without me there as support. But he WANTED to go and WANTED to get some help as it was affecting his life and impacting him nagativly in HIS opinion. He asked for my help and all I did was sit quietly, and occationally prompt him with things he asked me to remind him of.
As for skipping school... do you have any idea how terrifying a school setting is for a person who is socio-phobic? Would you have not done better to encourage him to look for schooling online? At least he would feel more confident. BABY steps.
you can encourage him into social setting, and sometimes you need to help him jump in with both feet. find amle persons who share his interests and arange for them to become part of your outing. I have almost personally introduced my husband to almost all of his current friends, some of them are now best friends and one (who neither of us knew before ) is not oue children's God father. Something about this fella struck me as interesting (he liked a similar style of dress to my husband) and he was attending the same class and struggling. I struck up a conversation with the guy after class and invited him over (we were living together). He is a darling fella, and I am honored to have his freindship. This sucess has my hubby out of the house once a week doing a guys night out without me! It has taken 7 years for him to get comfortable in that kind of a social setting!
I guess what I am saying is if you love him try to understan him and support him in the changes he wants to make, and let him set the pace, if you cannot ahndel it or feel he is emotionally distant (he may simply not know how to identify feelings) then you may have to let him go. However, once he discovered how to identify his feelings and learned how to acknowlege my feelings our relationship got much better! Personally I recomend sticking it out... diamonds in the ruff are hard to find.
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:08 pm
Quote: I have read this to its entirety and have a lot to say, but no time at the moment. I will rush to this as soon as I can. Thank you.. So much. smile Just for reading. I hope you find the time to reply.. Krystlanna Well I married a guy like that. You have to realize that loveing someone means loving them for who they are not who you want them to be. I think it is good that you support and encourage him to help himself and that is a good thing. But if he leaves a program due to lack of motivation it sounds like he is not quite ready to make that kind of a change! There are careers that you can do from home. Addicted to the PC, well encourage him to look for work at home. I know you feel his islolation is a problem, but how does HE feel about it? Well, if only we would know how he felt.. There are few jobs that can be done from home. Besides, he knows as well as I do that doing a job from home will not help him, as there's nobody there to motivate him and less or more force him to do it.. He has a problem with that.. He is incapable, he's unable to get himself to do something. He needs either a _very_ good motivation or someone to give him a kick in the butt and that's not an idea I have, but something he has said. Quote: See my husband is also socio-phobic... he was unable to even speak to a councelor without me there as support. But he WANTED to go and WANTED to get some help as it was affecting his life and impacting him nagativly in HIS opinion. He asked for my help and all I did was sit quietly, and occationally prompt him with things he asked me to remind him of. Yes. Except that my boyfriend is not so motivated as your husband is.. That he doesn't really _WANT_ to get help, and _WANT_ to get better.. Add to that the problem of being incapable of doing things without a very good motivation or that kick in the butt. Quote: As for skipping school... do you have any idea how terrifying a school setting is for a person who is socio-phobic? Would you have not done better to encourage him to look for schooling online? At least he would feel more confident. BABY steps. I know how terrifying it is. I never forced him. He wanted to as well. I'm not sure what you mean by online schooling, but if you mean being taught online - that doesn't exist here. He has tried, also with my encouragment, to do something that resembles homeschooling. Basically he received this whole stack of paperwork and it's a study that takes a year.. You do it by yourself, at home.. You'll never go into class, or even meet your teacher.. You send in your homework, they check it, and send it back.. Via snail mail.. He kept this up one week and then he quit. Quote: you can encourage him into social setting, and sometimes you need to help him jump in with both feet. find amle persons who share his interests and arange for them to become part of your outing. I have almost personally introduced my husband to almost all of his current friends, some of them are now best friends and one (who neither of us knew before ) is not oue children's God father. Something about this fella struck me as interesting (he liked a similar style of dress to my husband) and he was attending the same class and struggling. I struck up a conversation with the guy after class and invited him over (we were living together). He is a darling fella, and I am honored to have his freindship. This sucess has my hubby out of the house once a week doing a guys night out without me! It has taken 7 years for him to get comfortable in that kind of a social setting! I would.. If only I wouldn't have enough trouble with my own social life.. If I can't even find my own friends as it is, or well, for the moment...... Instead, I try to encourage him to go out of the house a bit more.. Friends don't materialize out of thin air.. Such as letting the dogs out..! Or buying his own sigarettes. He's capable of doing that, he can, it doesn't frighten him, he is now able of walking in a shop and buying something thanks to therapy and walking the dogs, as long as no social contact is required, has never really been a problem.. He just doesn't.... I can't magically get him some friends, either, efforts from his side is required as well.. Quote: I guess what I am saying is if you love him try to understan him and support him in the changes he wants to make, and let him set the pace, if you cannot ahndel it or feel he is emotionally distant (he may simply not know how to identify feelings) then you may have to let him go. However, once he discovered how to identify his feelings and learned how to acknowlege my feelings our relationship got much better! Personally I recomend sticking it out... diamonds in the ruff are hard to find. I have tried, and I understand him, for four to five years. We've been together for three years, but I've known him before. I do understand, I really do.. It just... This relationship just doesn't make me happy anymore. Everything has to come from me.. Even if we're just alone, together.. You know.. I've got limits as well.. I love him, I really do.. But I don't know if I can keep this up. I simply don't. People have been telling me how much I've changed. I noticed, too, how my life has been getting worse and worse and how I rarely feel good, just you know, randomly feel good, because the sorrow is always there.. ..You're the first one to say to stay with him.. That's good to hear.. For a change..
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:43 pm
I was going to post yesterday but it was really late so ill just post today so here I am.
First off like to say I my self am a bit like your bf.... Most of my life revoles around the computer and I don't really get much outside. Though not because of my perent's though they did have a bit of envolvement because of the past that my brothers endured they said they din't whant me to go through the same thing, but mostly I my self din't have much friends so I din't really get out much. So myself I am a little anti-social and so is my girlfriend... When we go out we basacly go out into small places that not allot of people go to... and so do I go out by my self, And yes my life does revolve around a PC but not much now because I have to go to school but that's about it. So I basacly know were your coming from and to tell you the truth the thing about letting go of him well... I don't konow ive had that done to me twice and... it is not a good thing to do... but one must do what needs to done and I sympothise with you because what your doing is very noble and it's hard i know.
Now to the matter of helping my best suggestion is pritty harsh but sometimes one has to do what must be done... I say... you don't dump him but let him be... don't talk to him... basacly give him your back for a little while. Make him feel a bit of pain. Make him whant you to a point were he can't take it any more being along again then go back to him and prove him or tell him like he whant's the relationship to work he must try and do what your helping him to do. It might backfire... so I woun't say to go with it but... it might be the best way to go so don't put much confidence on that one. Now if you don't whant to go with that talk to him and tell him basacly he needs to damn go to school and etc... He needs to give back and help as much as your helping him. That might not work because .... i'm hardheaded being anti-social and all but... I don't know if he would listen. That or... hm... dragg him outside and go little by little to take him places or him taking you places. I don't really know how you would do that but I would think you should get him out of the house and away from the computer first to start going further. The school thing is basacly more of his disicion because... >.> yea.. it's not something EVERYONE whants to do.
Other than that i'm sorry i can't be much help I wish I could be more helpfull but I can't think of anything better... Kind of brain dead for one... and secondly not so smart on this because I have yet to expirience it so i'm very terably sorry. If you need any more help I'll try and pass by here often to know your doing well and what not so -waves- hopeing for the best
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:34 pm
Do what you feel is best... life goes on, just don't kill yourself!
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