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The Wise Informer hasn't been cooperative and instead disregarded my premises as irrelevant without explaining why and without explaining why the verses and chapters he told me to read were relevant anyway. So, if anyone in here is willing to address this argument for me, I'd be glad.

• P1: God is omniscient. (Isa. 46:10)
  
• P2: This means God knows all events that will occur. (From P1.)
  
• P3: God knew Adam would sin. (From P1 and P2.)
  
• P4: God placed the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden, which was pleasing to the eye, i.e., tempting. (Gen. 2:9)
  
• P5: God made the serpent and placed him also in the garden. (Gen. 3:1)
  
• P6: God commanded Adam to not eat from that tree, even though God knows the outcome. (From P1, P2, and P3; Gen. 2:16, 17)
  
• C: God brought sin into the world. (From P3, P4, P5, and P6.)

Yeah, the idea of omniscience would need to be addressed, but I'm going with the traditional view. I don't know what open theists think of as far as God knowing that Adam and Eve would sin, but if their view is that God didn't know this was going to happen, then I guess in some way, God could have caused this indirectly, but not be blamed.

To use an example, if I was someone who sold firearms for hunting, I cannot be blamed if someone purchases a firearm and ends up taking the life of another human. At least with something like that, I'd say God is exempt from it, but I suppose the issue of omnipotence comes along.

To be honest, I'm not trying to demolish The Wise Informer's faith, it's just in my mind, I am trying to present an argument where his view of God and those who agree with his view are erroneous. Of course, I could be completely wrong, but from a strict, traditional view of the Bible, I think my argument demolishes that view of God.

When God defined the boundaries of right and wrong, He created sin... He gave us a mark to aim for. That does not mean that God sins, or that He condones it.

The story that Moses wrote down in Genesis was a a myth that God gave Moses to counter the teachings and beliefs they had received in Egypt as slaves. The Genesis account was necessary to the Israelites in order to give them their own beginnings of separate culture. It isn't necessarily how things physically happened, but it tells us a story we need to know that can be applied to substantially to our spirituality.

You know, I am at a point in my life where I don't know what I believe anymore. I'm scared and afraid. Its really terrifying. This is one of the reasons why I doubt Christianity. I believe that since God is the most powerful and primal being, then of course he brought both good and evil. He couldn't have just brought one side. Apparently, the bible says that evil only existed because of us, but that seems illogical.

Interesting perspective.

Mea quidem sententia, you don't add Lucifer into the equation, and personal responsibility of those who chose to sin. Obviously God explained to them that they should not eat from the three. They knew why; you will surely die (Genesis 2:17). Fair warning, and they knew God's character and had seen him in action. That he knew their response to his command does not take away their personal responsibility does it?

If God did not give people the option to disobey, and do evil would you say that this is true goodness? If you did not give your creation the opportunity to reject your love, is it true love? Basically he gave them the opportunity to freely give their love.

There are many things that are pleasing to the eye, and designed to be pleasing to the eye. It doesn't mean you are right to take them."I should not be punished judge, for stealing the crown jewel from the tower of England. It was too beautiful for me to control myself. It was their fault for own it, or having it made! They should have made it less valuable. They knew people would be trying to steal it because of its value."

He knew these events would occur, before they did, but he had a perfect plan to resolve the issue, and bring creation back to himself, he was planning on dying for the sins of his creation. Knowing it would happen, and being responsible for them happening are two different things. Responsibility usually rests with the one causing the offence, not the one offended. Sin is an offence against the character of God. That is why it has such a terrible consequence.

This whole exercise kind of reminds me in a way of Adam's response to God when God questioned him:

Genesis 3:12
The man said, "The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."

Emphasis mine.

"Since you made the three, and knew I would steal from it (even though you gave me fair warning), you are the origin of sin - not me. Since you gave me the choice to do what I want, knowing I would exercise it in a negative way - you are the cause of me wanting to be evil, and the cause of evil."

Forgive my delayed reply. I currently am restricted to a phone.

To begin, Lucifer is ignored because he is a late interpretation. If Lucifer is brought into the equation, the problem is only pushed back because Yahweh could have avoided what he knew would happen. This is the issue with omniscience.

Next, it is very possible for an omnipotent god to bestow free will without causing evil. I have the choice to eat pancakes or waffles. No evil here. But, Yahweh will create a new earth where pain and suffering are no more. So even by the Bible's admission, this is very possible. Yahweh has no excuse.

If Yahweh had a plan to bring his creation back to him, then you admit he not only knew the man and woman would sin, but also was at fault for placing the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden.

Yahweh is to blame for placing the woman and serpent, whom Yahweh made crafty. (Gen. 3:1) To deny this is to ignore what the Bible says. Even if Yahweh is not omniscient, I'd think a smart god would realize this was a bad idea, unless he was not wise or wanted this to happen.

Finally, Yahweh's command meant nothing to the man and woman, if death was unknown to them. But, if death was already in the world, then it wasn't the result of disobedience, thus Jesus' death and his role as the second Adam is meaningless.