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Elder

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:13 pm


Or will he? eek
PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:10 pm


tahariel
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Right now I really miss JoVo... crying *cries in the corner*


*cuddles and pats consolingly*

it's okay...he'll be back.

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I don't know. When Jovani gets his mind set on something, he's very stubborn. And I think he may be in a lot of pain, here. He took care of Omega, but he has lots of other demons to fight. Show him your support, guys, but don't pester him to return.

Vague
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Vague
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:12 pm


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Or will he? eek

This post is innocent enough. But any snide comments from anyone( and I'm not picking on you, I'm talking to EVERYONE) will result in an instant ban. This guy means a lot to many of us, including me, and I will not tolerate attacks on someone not present to defend himself.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:29 pm


Post edited because I answered my own damn question.

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Elder

PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:56 am


Vague
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Or will he? eek

This post is innocent enough. But any snide comments from anyone( and I'm not picking on you, I'm talking to EVERYONE) will result in an instant ban. This guy means a lot to many of us, including me, and I will not tolerate attacks on someone not present to defend himself.


I had no idea he'd left when I made that post- sorry. I thought he had just gone on a temporary vacation or something at the time... sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:00 pm


The thing that bothered me the most about the whole thing that led up to JoVo's departure was how nobody could just drop it or take it into private. It's like when my parents used to scream at each other over the top of my head, I didn't want to hear it and it made me so mad that they couldn't even see how much it was bothering me. No one should've even responded to that thread that JoVo made. JoVo's first post there didn't bother me, it was everybody's posts after it that upset me.

This isn't your private place to shout at each other until you're too tired to be mad anymore. This is a public place where everyone can see what you're saying and they have to deal with it when two people fight in public. It's not just between you and them, it's between you and them and everyone else who is fidgeting in the corners of the room wondering what to do.

I know I'm not in any place to judge anybody, and frankly I don't know most of the people involved as much as I'd like to. But I do know what it feels like when people you count on to be mature and responsible reduce themselves to a shouting match.

NadiaM


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:30 pm


NadiaM
The thing that bothered me the most about the whole thing that led up to JoVo's departure was how nobody could just drop it or take it into private. It's like when my parents used to scream at each other over the top of my head, I didn't want to hear it and it made me so mad that they couldn't even see how much it was bothering me. No one should've even responded to that thread that JoVo made. JoVo's first post there didn't bother me, it was everybody's posts after it that upset me.

This isn't your private place to shout at each other until you're too tired to be mad anymore. This is a public place where everyone can see what you're saying and they have to deal with it when two people fight in public. It's not just between you and them, it's between you and them and everyone else who is fidgeting in the corners of the room wondering what to do.

I know I'm not in any place to judge anybody, and frankly I don't know most of the people involved as much as I'd like to. But I do know what it feels like when people you count on to be mature and responsible reduce themselves to a shouting match.


Sweetie, the reason JoVo posted in public, was probably to try and "expose" a wrong that he felt had been committed. And, in a way, I agree with him. I've had it happen to me, because 1 person complained about my signature being too big. All it takes is one complaint around here, and things get handled. Which, in most cases is a good thing. But, in this case, it didn't work out like the Moderators wanted. And JoVo felt he was doing good by taking it public. Though, I don't agree with the way he handled it, I do at least, understand, his motives. And I miss him dearly.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:49 pm


I agree with both of you. Unfortunately, there's not much anyone can do to stop mods from posting where and when they will. sad If JoVo had wanted to make a guild to protest this, and provide a nice little link, I would totally support it, all the way. I dunno. Once again, I apologize to all of you...

Vague
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Vague
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:50 pm


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Vague
[Q]
Or will he? eek

This post is innocent enough. But any snide comments from anyone( and I'm not picking on you, I'm talking to EVERYONE) will result in an instant ban. This guy means a lot to many of us, including me, and I will not tolerate attacks on someone not present to defend himself.


I had no idea he'd left when I made that post- sorry. I thought he had just gone on a temporary vacation or something at the time... sweatdrop

It's OK...
just have respect for those suffering the loss.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:33 pm


Vague
I agree with both of you. Unfortunately, there's not much anyone can do to stop mods from posting where and when they will. sad If JoVo had wanted to make a guild to protest this, and provide a nice little link, I would totally support it, all the way. I dunno. Once again, I apologize to all of you...


No apology necessary. You didn't do anything wrong. And as far as I'm concerned, neither did JoVo nor Kokoryta. They both did what came natrually to them, which was defend their rights as individuals to their actions in a situation. JoVo wanted it known what had happened, and Koko did her best to explain to JoVo what happened.

In college, one of my philosophy professors would almost call this a logical argument (if you ever take Logic, you'll know what I mean).

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NadiaM

PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:41 pm


I know why he posted in public.

What I'm fairly certain that I said was that no one else who replied to that thread needed to do so. There are PM's and I'm fairly certain that Koko and JoVo at least have each other on various buddy lists, along with a bunch of other ways for them to all scream at each other without making the rest of us feel uncomfortable.

Yup. I did say that. Riight here..
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JoVo's first post there didn't bother me, it was everybody's posts after it that upset me.

See? I understand why JoVo posted in public, and I don't disagree with it.

Side Note: I'm nobody's sweetie. domokun
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:45 pm


NadiaM
I know why he posted in public.

What I'm fairly certain that I said was that no one else who replied to that thread needed to do so. There are PM's and I'm fairly certain that Koko and JoVo at least have each other on various buddy lists, along with a bunch of other ways for them to all scream at each other without making the rest of us feel uncomfortable.

Yup. I did say that. Riight here..
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JoVo's first post there didn't bother me, it was everybody's posts after it that upset me.

See? I understand why JoVo posted in public, and I don't disagree with it.

Side Note: I'm nobody's sweetie. domokun


Well, I explained part of my own reason for posting in public, and you'll see that one of the things I said there was that the response shouldn't have been public. I don't object to JoVo posting about it, I object to the manner in which he wrote, because it was inflammatory and he's smart enough to have known that, and to the place, because while it was OK to say something in this guild, he should not have made an inflamatory post in a manner and format that invited discussion( since the discussion was likely to be harsh, and not suited to the guild).

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NadiaM

PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:09 am


Still, I don't think JoVo held a gun to any of your heads and said "Fight with me in my thread or else!!" neutral
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:29 pm


NadiaM
Still, I don't think JoVo held a gun to any of your heads and said "Fight with me in my thread or else!!" neutral


No he didn't, but he also felt that talking with me in PMs wans't enought for him *shrugs* but I am not going to get into this debate again.

Kokoryta


Vague
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:34 am


Kokoryta
NadiaM
Still, I don't think JoVo held a gun to any of your heads and said "Fight with me in my thread or else!!" neutral


No he didn't, but he also felt that talking with me in PMs wans't enought for him *shrugs* but I am not going to get into this debate again.

Then why respond at all? Forums are for discussion, not proclamations.
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