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 Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:37 am
But though people might wanna see this and discuss it. Pyrrhic-Faith Reon-kun I killed people with a hypothetical situation which reveals underlaying logic with people will refuse to believe...... xd Reon Everyone--do the math... If nature never intended homosexuality--why is it there? Going off on a tangent--why would anyone choose to be gay? Choose to put up with this s**t--choose to be ridiculed and their rights revoked. Who would actually choose that path? No one . Look at the world now... imagine if homosexuals had never existed.
Whoops--you dont live in your house anymore--because without homosexuality--more people would live in the earth--overpopulation--destruction of nature for modernization for civilization. The human race is the only species know to actually DEFY nature itself--we don't adapt to our surroundings and we pollute our environment. So think now--we wouldn't have much nature now if homosexuality never existed.
So--logically--wouldn't you think that nature INTENDED to have homosexuals to prevent its own destruction? There has to be a complete balance in nature for everything to work... more people leads to less resources, which would make the herbivoric animals eventually die out--which would lead to the carnivores less food--then to canibalism amongst the carnivoric animals--killing them out... then we wouldn't actually have any food.... Eh, guess no one sees it that way though.
You complain about it being immoral accoring to the bible--I dont care--its a belief. There is a difference between a concrete belief and an abstract belief. You can believe that there is no oxygen and gravity, thus does it make it not exist? No, those can be proven with statistical data and such. Some believe in Jesus--but does that make him real? No, we dont know if an entity of higher power really exists--so basing all your arguments on something that isn't proven is completely irrelevent to any arguement.
this is based on a hyperbolic hypothetical situation used to make a point, but no one will read it anyway ::shifty eyes:: OMG REON! -claps claps- ^-^ I mean, I like it. But I just gotta say something: I'm a lutheran and they tell me everyday that god loves me and jesus loves me. that he cares for me. I mean, I wanna tell them IF they say anything against homosexuality, i wanna tell them this: The day after you were born, you wake up that morning(your a girl), and say(in ur head), 'O I want to be a guy" Does it happen? No. Because god made you who you are. He made you a girl. And he loves you, cuz well, he made you that way! Just like if I would wake up the day after I was born and say "O I wanna be straight. Does it happen? Nope. Because god made me homosexual. Are you saying what god made me is a bad thing? Am I just something that he made wrong? And I'm going to hell for his mistakes? And your saying god doesnt love me, because of who he made me. Now I don't feel loved. Now wouldn't it be dumb if you went to hell, not for your mistakes, but for gods mistakes? Thats what I would say, but they havn't said anything against homosexuality yet XD
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:58 pm
Might wanna add that homosexuality is pretty prevalent in the natural world. I was watching this national geographic program discussing sexuality and one theory suggests that homosexuality might be for the psychological well-being of a species as well(like how some macaques will choose same sex partners to have sex because it feels good) just show that the argument that homosexuality is not "natural" is simply pointless.
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 8:10 am
Slyargent Might wanna add that homosexuality is pretty prevalent in the natural world. I was watching this national geographic program discussing sexuality and one theory suggests that homosexuality might be for the psychological well-being of a species as well(like how some macaques will choose same sex partners to have sex because it feels good) just show that the argument that homosexuality is not "natural" is simply pointless. Oooo I like that idea.
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:28 am
I recently had a very long conversation with a close friend regarding the matter of homosexuality and the bible. One cross refrence that she stated was that durring the years when jesus was a wandering healer, there was a roman general who had a slave (A boy) and in that time, the generals of armies usually had slaves for sexual purpose. Now the one thing that she stressed was, if a slave ever got sick, they general could just go out and buy a new one. This general on the other hand had heard of jesus's healing power and sent out troops to request hi help for the child. Jesus did come and heal this boy. When the general had asked jesus why he did it even though he knew that this child was for homosexual intention, Jesus replied, I don't care what you do. God loves all whom he created.
So this kind of is the general statement of what she told me, I mean there was a hell of a lot more detail.
I still have yet to study more on this matter, but to expand on the bible, I recently spoke with a man that came into my workplace. I began a discusion with him regarding the bible and he provided me with his theory that the bible happened to be written by a council. There are gaps in the story of jesus where for years he goes unoted, who is to say that the people who submitted the story of these years did not have to do with something that was seen as unwanted bu this council, who is to say that the stories in the bible were not edited to fit into the specific guidelines that these people wanted. And who is to say that the origional text of the bible was not misenterpreted.
My friend also said that there was a homophobic pope, centuries back that saw homosexuality as the destruction of the human race. That he thought that everyone was going to do that and have same sex relations, like a trend and no opposite sex interactions in the sexual nature would happen anymore. So he made it a heathen thing and people that practiced it, would be like people that were prosecuted for witchcraft, an unfair trial resulting in death.
Just some things to think on... I must study them more, currently, my personal studies have proven it to be a genetic occurance.
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:39 am
From what I've studied and discussed, the Jewish (Old Testament) God, and the Christian (New Testament) God, are both quite different, the Jewish people portrayed a more 'edgy' God than the one Christians look up to. Christians portray their God more of a loving father.
And I'm sure most people have heard the part of the Bible where it condemns homosexuality, which is the Leviticus, which is part of the Old Testament. It is wise to note that Leviticus also condemns MANY other things, and is termed old fashioned by many people, and its considered that Jesus' new covenant made to humans when he died on the cross, abolished the Levitican values. Since when Jesus came, he spreads the message of EVERYBODY being welcomed to the Kingdom of God, and that all sins are to be forgiven. Of course this would apply for the Christians, but not the Jews, since Jews believe in the Old Testament. The Bible is quite contradictory in itself, it really depends on how well you can interpet it.
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:03 am
Damian Myrddin From what I've studied and discussed, the Jewish (Old Testament) God, and the Christian (New Testament) God, are both quite different, the Jewish people portrayed a more 'edgy' God than the one Christians look up to. Christians portray their God more of a loving father. And I'm sure most people have heard the part of the Bible where it condemns homosexuality, which is the Leviticus, which is part of the Old Testament. It is wise to note that Leviticus also condemns MANY other things, and is termed old fashioned by many people, and its considered that Jesus' new covenant made to humans when he died on the cross, abolished the Levitican values. Since when Jesus came, he spreads the message of EVERYBODY being welcomed to the Kingdom of God, and that all sins are to be forgiven. Of course this would apply for the Christians, but not the Jews, since Jews believe in the Old Testament. The Bible is quite contradictory in itself, it really depends on how well you can interpet it.
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:15 am
It also generally depends on which you believe in XD!! Like being a Jew or Christian, since a quick way to remember is that..
Jewish God = A bit warlike, great, superior, wise and helpful, tends to have more show of power.
Christian God = Fatherly, still great, more loving, always wise, and he has a son! Which makes him.. happy, I guess?
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:03 am
Damian Myrddin It also generally depends on which you believe in XD!! Like being a Jew or Christian, since a quick way to remember is that.. Jewish God = A bit warlike, great, superior, wise and helpful, tends to have more show of power. Christian God = Fatherly, still great, more loving, always wise, and he has a son! Which makes him.. happy, I guess?
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