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 Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:44 pm
The thing about marriage equality. Should I show my support and be mauled or shunned by my religious friends and family, or stay quiet and watch them talk about the country being doomed if bro-marriage and lady-marriage is an accepted thing?
For reals Prince looks like he doesn't afraid of anything in my Facebook newsfeed amongst the sea of Christian friends talking like doomsday is going to happen if there's marriage equality.
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:32 pm
Hey, don't compare history's answer to "How not to get raped." to intolerant madness.
At least in the period that chastity belts were used, very few people were silly enough to blame the victim for the rape.
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:39 pm
I was just cracking something akin to the "a** family" joke. Vacuum Belt would be the hot-headed unstable one that's always in and out of prison/rehab because those things overheat and snap about once a month if you vacuum a lot. *shrug*
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:17 pm
As long as they aren't trying to make you believe that... That's your freedom of thought. If you wish to express it you certainly can regardless of what other people think. As long as you aren't trying to combat people on it. It being a family thing and all? I get how it can be pretty demoralizing. Ultimately that's a belief that makes you, you though. No shame in that. I wish we as people had the ability to respect others opinions.. sadly that's hardly the case.
I support it. *shrugs* always have.
Edit: Actually, this fact isn't true. I am in the middle on this subject currently.
Yeah. I had this dream last night where I was at a party and I was laying on the floor for who knows why ever.... seriously. My brother was sitting on the couch next to some dude and he randomly started making out with him. I slowly pulled the pillow off of my face and was like ehhhhhhhhhhh...... ? So crazy.
Edit: ^^^^^ This has absolutely nothing to do with me being in the middle on the subject. I just thought I would clarify that... I previously thought it was a strange dream and an odd foreshadowing of the current events.
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:14 am
I'm not bothered, I was just making fun of people who use their religion as an excuse to ruin other people's lives.
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:19 am
The fact of the matter is, whether we like it or not, our government is just an extension of the Christian church. Churches are government funded, you will never become president unless you shout/declare your christianity from the mountaintop, and we actually let our government govern marriage.
By all means, religious unions, keep your laws to yourselves, and keep your unions done your way, but please stop running our government into the ground.
america isn't a melting pot, it isn't the land of the free, it isn't the home of equality. It is the most racist, sexist, xenophobic, intolerant place I know of, we just like t otry and dress it up as "religious freedoms"
Seperation of church and state is a lie. Congress is a lie. The Presidency is a lie. This is all coming from someone who really does love the idea of this country and what it could be, but we are taught to be servants our entire lives, in every system in America, and that is on purpose. It's confusing being a wolf among sheep ='D
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:01 pm
Zephynoir The fact of the matter is, whether we like it or not, our government is just an extension of the Christian church. Churches are government funded, you will never become president unless you shout/declare your christianity from the mountaintop, and we actually let our government govern marriage. By all means, religious unions, keep your laws to yourselves, and keep your unions done your way, but please stop running our government into the ground. america isn't a melting pot, it isn't the land of the free, it isn't the home of equality. It is the most racist, sexist, xenophobic, intolerant place I know of, we just like t otry and dress it up as "religious freedoms" Seperation of church and state is a lie. Congress is a lie. The Presidency is a lie. This is all coming from someone who really does love the idea of this country and what it could be, but we are taught to be servants our entire lives, in every system in America, and that is on purpose. It's confusing being a wolf among sheep ='D You hit the nail on the head with the hammer here. Although It's an uphill battle it's not the particular kind of mind set I like to be in. Regardless of what I think reality always comes to smack me in the face. Is hiding away a bad thing? Sometimes I don't know myself as well as I want to. I think that people are happier neglecting the facts. If we have a life to live, we should be living it.
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:37 pm
@Brase: What keeps me from saying anything is coming off as trying to pick fights. I don't want that, but at the same time feel a great deal of sadness towards people who feel gay couples don't deserve the same benefits as straight ones. They don't even argue civil unions should be fixed instead, which would make them sound like they're at least genuinely trying to accept some form of the idea.
@Roland: One can take the church out of a politician but you can't stop the people from choosing the one that swings for the church. I mean shoot, Todd Akin still almost won MO last year with a campaign of "if a rape victim gets pregnant they're a kinky harlot" and "I'm a an all American family man that goes to church three times a week". I watched the debates, they were baffling. Claire M. was like "dude that isn't even relevant, stop rambling" but that was aaaaallllllll he spewed.
Wish more people could come around to the idea of not making everyone follow their religious beliefs. Just because something they don't like is legal doesn't mean they have to do it! Ain't nobody gonna purée their baby in their sleep or steal away their spouses in a cherry blossom petal raining bromance. lol
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:41 am
Toontastic @Brase: What keeps me from saying anything is coming off as trying to pick fights. I don't want that, but at the same time feel a great deal of sadness towards people who feel gay couples don't deserve the same benefits as straight ones. They don't even argue civil unions should be fixed instead, which would make them sound like they're at least genuinely trying to accept some form of the idea. I feel you on that. It's like every opinion you have is an argument and you just want to have your own. That's my life in a nutshell at least. Personally I think a lot of people need to start working together, and we can't do that unless we all throw our thoughts on the table. That's impossibru... and it breaks my fragile carebear heart. heart
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:30 pm
:O Me!
I don't think marriage should be a religious institution. It has developed so far beyond that at this point in time and it's just a customary bond between two people. I'm fully supportive of equal rights for all people. Uncolored, colored, women, men, gay, straight, religious and those lacking a religious binding. People should all have the same legal rights unless they have been previously known to misuse their rights, for example as convicted felons can not acquire sidearms and the like.
We're all human. People need to understand there's more to life than oneself. And even so, providing human and legal rights to all people surely can not negatively affect social norms, could it?
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:37 am
Prince-I :O Me! I don't think marriage should be a religious institution. It has developed so far beyond that at this point in time and it's just a customary bond between two people. I'm fully supportive of equal rights for all people. Uncolored, colored, women, men, gay, straight, religious and those lacking a religious binding. People should all have the same legal rights unless they have been previously known to misuse their rights, for example as convicted felons can not acquire sidearms and the like. We're all human. People need to understand there's more to life than oneself. And even so, providing human and legal rights to all people surely can not negatively affect social norms, could it? I agree. I believe everyone should be equal. They should certainly have the right to, but I am conflicted on a few things that maybe you guys can help me clear up. I have been in the middle on the topic for a bit now. I uhhh am going to be elaborating on my own thoughts, which could be kind of annoying, so fair warning. rofl This is not to open a can of worms, and it's hardly an argument. I just want your input. A lot of people who are gay or lesbian are actually against this idea for the sheer fact that a child needs a male and a female parent in order to properly grow. To me, this has been proven wrong. I know many people who live without one or the other, but overall I wonder how it would effect things? If children are growing up adopted with two dads or two moms does it hurt our youth emotionally? Do they get the proper balance needed to grow? What is proper balance? Of course this isn't the topic at all. The topic is whether or not people should have the right. I support that. Although, this is assuming that they would want kids... a family normally consists of children, which is why you got married. To turn into a family. So... how does this work? o.o If you have a soul mate, why would you need to even get married? It doesn't prevent people from cheating, and most people get married not knowing what they really want which is sad but true. No matter how in tune you think you are, it's never rock solid. You hold a celebration tying your lives together and than later on it just goes down anyways... but than there is your child and a realization of what truly is at stake. A child should never be used as a crutch like that, but it's absolutely true that children bring people together especially in marriage. If they don't, you're doing it wrong. I have personal belief that if you're going to get married it's essential at one point whether it's years from than, or however long of a time you need, you do have a child because you were absolutely sure this is the person you wanted to be with before you made the decision to walk down that isle.
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:36 am
Brase Prince-I :O Me! I don't think marriage should be a religious institution. It has developed so far beyond that at this point in time and it's just a customary bond between two people. I'm fully supportive of equal rights for all people. Uncolored, colored, women, men, gay, straight, religious and those lacking a religious binding. People should all have the same legal rights unless they have been previously known to misuse their rights, for example as convicted felons can not acquire sidearms and the like. We're all human. People need to understand there's more to life than oneself. And even so, providing human and legal rights to all people surely can not negatively affect social norms, could it? I agree. I believe everyone should be equal. They should certainly have the right to, but I am conflicted on a few things that maybe you guys can help me clear up. I have been in the middle on the topic for a bit now. I uhhh am going to be elaborating on my own thoughts, which could be kind of annoying, so fair warning. rofl This is not to open a can of worms, and it's hardly an argument. I just want your input. A lot of people who are gay or lesbian are actually against this idea for the sheer fact that a child needs a male and a female parent in order to properly grow. To me, this has been proven wrong. I know many people who live without one or the other, but overall I wonder how it would effect things? If children are growing up adopted with two dads or two moms does it hurt our youth emotionally? Do they get the proper balance needed to grow? What is proper balance? Of course this isn't the topic at all. The topic is whether or not people should have the right. I support that. Although, this is assuming that they would want kids... a family normally consists of children, which is why you got married. To turn into a family. So... how does this work? o.o If you have a soul mate, why would you need to even get married? It doesn't prevent people from cheating, and most people get married not knowing what they really want which is sad but true. No matter how in tune you think you are, it's never rock solid. You hold a celebration tying your lives together and than later on it just goes down anyways... but than there is your child and a realization of what truly is at stake. A child should never be used as a crutch like that, but it's absolutely true that children bring people together especially in marriage. If they don't, you're doing it wrong. I have personal belief that if you're going to get married it's essential at one point whether it's years from than, or however long of a time you need, you do have a child because you were absolutely sure this is the person you wanted to be with before you made the decision to walk down that isle. Fair note, I answer posts from the bottom up just so you aren't confused. Marriage is more of a customary way to say that you intend on sharing your life with someone. Yes, I understand it doesn't ACTUALLY make a difference as far as what people are capable of doing with their romantic lives, it's more of a signature that a pair is together. As far as developing in a home with two same-sex parents, I can't imagine it would be any more difficult than a single parent taking care of a child or children. Much less difficult. The parents are completely aware of the situation, and because of their sexual orientation, they'll be able to better develop the child's knowledge of the situation at hand: the fact that a man and a woman are, in fact, required for sexual reproduction, but despite that biological norm an emotional bond can exist between any two partners.
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:23 am
Prince-I Brase Prince-I :O Me! I don't think marriage should be a religious institution. It has developed so far beyond that at this point in time and it's just a customary bond between two people. I'm fully supportive of equal rights for all people. Uncolored, colored, women, men, gay, straight, religious and those lacking a religious binding. People should all have the same legal rights unless they have been previously known to misuse their rights, for example as convicted felons can not acquire sidearms and the like. We're all human. People need to understand there's more to life than oneself. And even so, providing human and legal rights to all people surely can not negatively affect social norms, could it? I agree. I believe everyone should be equal. They should certainly have the right to, but I am conflicted on a few things that maybe you guys can help me clear up. I have been in the middle on the topic for a bit now. I uhhh am going to be elaborating on my own thoughts, which could be kind of annoying, so fair warning. rofl This is not to open a can of worms, and it's hardly an argument. I just want your input. A lot of people who are gay or lesbian are actually against this idea for the sheer fact that a child needs a male and a female parent in order to properly grow. To me, this has been proven wrong. I know many people who live without one or the other, but overall I wonder how it would effect things? If children are growing up adopted with two dads or two moms does it hurt our youth emotionally? Do they get the proper balance needed to grow? What is proper balance? Of course this isn't the topic at all. The topic is whether or not people should have the right. I support that. Although, this is assuming that they would want kids... a family normally consists of children, which is why you got married. To turn into a family. So... how does this work? o.o If you have a soul mate, why would you need to even get married? It doesn't prevent people from cheating, and most people get married not knowing what they really want which is sad but true. No matter how in tune you think you are, it's never rock solid. You hold a celebration tying your lives together and than later on it just goes down anyways... but than there is your child and a realization of what truly is at stake. A child should never be used as a crutch like that, but it's absolutely true that children bring people together especially in marriage. If they don't, you're doing it wrong. I have personal belief that if you're going to get married it's essential at one point whether it's years from than, or however long of a time you need, you do have a child because you were absolutely sure this is the person you wanted to be with before you made the decision to walk down that isle. Fair note, I answer posts from the bottom up just so you aren't confused. Marriage is more of a customary way to say that you intend on sharing your life with someone. Yes, I understand it doesn't ACTUALLY make a difference as far as what people are capable of doing with their romantic lives, it's more of a signature that a pair is together. As far as developing in a home with two same-sex parents, I can't imagine it would be any more difficult than a single parent taking care of a child or children. Much less difficult. The parents are completely aware of the situation, and because of their sexual orientation, they'll be able to better develop the child's knowledge of the situation at hand: the fact that a man and a woman are, in fact, required for sexual reproduction, but despite that biological norm an emotional bond can exist between any two partners. Thank you for your input. I personally don't like thinking marriage is a signature thing. I think it's something big that takes some thought, because you're going to be spending the rest of your life with someone. I understand my personal opinions should not affect the lives of others, but it's precisely the fact people don't think, that causes so much error. Than again... maybe I think far too much and need to lose some of that myself. o.O As far as youth with same sex parents goes. I just worry about pressure concerning others, or a certain type of discrimination that drives a child up the wall that shouldn't exist. It's a lot of pressure.
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