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 Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:23 pm
I'm tired of religious people trying to force their ideals upon non-religious people or people of a different religion, or non-religious people who criticize everyone's religious views with insults. I know people have the right to free speech, and freedom of religion, but is it really necessary to hurt their feelings about? I was subjected to a religious rant for five minutes when I told someone I wasn't of their religion. It upsets people. It's okay to discuss it or voice their view, but it's just uncalled for to insult them.
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:45 pm
Well worded and I completely agree.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:49 pm
You are the apple...
Not to like, look down on people like that, but Ive always found people, at least of my Christian faith, who try to force Christian beliefs and ideals on others, to be totally missing the point of Christianity as a whole.
As Christians, we're called to spread God's word and love. I believe that's not asking to force it on others, but to encourage others to see our views and perhaps they'll choose to join our faith. It's a loving, non-threatening way of evangelising.
This reaches into any sort of law that "christians" oppose, such as gay marriage and legal abortion. We are not a theocracy, and forcing beliefs to become laws is entirely ridiculous. Take abortion, I'm lawfully for it and morally against it. Bottom line: Morals should not be laws.
and I am your core.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:38 am
Totally agree with the original poster. Many religious fanatics would attempt to push their faith to you, willing you to convert. Very tired of such 'hard selling', especially from the more popular faiths. Shouldn't it be the less popular faiths be pushing for more people to convert as opposed to popular ones who keep pushing? It makes no logic..
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:38 am
I'm not part of religion, but I am a Christian and I post verses on facebook. I hope someone would read them and the learn the love Jesus has for them. I understand everyone has their own, belief, and that is their right under God to have that belief. There are people who do one thing in the name of Jesus, but that does not necessarily mean they are following Him.
Matthew 7:15-23
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
The greatest commandment we Christians have is to love God completely with our heart and soul, and likewise love everyone else. In loving God, we also wish to complete his will on Earth, to bring others to Christ that they may know His eternal love for them. Can/do people have ulterior motives? Yes, they can. The religious leaders sway the public with a light, fluffy version of Christianity. Ultimately, our sins separate from the Lord, and we ought to repent of them.
Naturally, no one wants to be called out on sin, but it is real and alive on this planet. The only remedy is the love of Jesus Christ. Additionally, we members of Christ are not to condemn the people. For example, saying negative things, attacking the person are wrong things. We have an example in Jesus.
John 8
8 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. 3 Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, 4 they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” 6 This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.
7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” 8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?”
11 She said, “No one, Lord.”
And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”
12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”
Notice Jesus does not condemn her, but he tells her to sin no more. He did not disagree that adultery was a sin, but he allowed her to go free. He forgive her, and told her to repent. Truly the Lord Jesus Christ is abundantly merciful to us to give us the opportunity to repent, and live.
Rock4ourRock, while we do not live in a theocracy, you realize that "forcing beliefs to become laws" is exactly what the justice system is. People may not base it on biblical morality necessarily, but they do the same thing you claim you do not want to do. As a believer in Christ, we have to follow what God wants, not please men. I understand what God wants is not popular opinion, but He ought to be our first priority. That requires standing for Him, and if we are able to pass righteous laws. After all, not ever law is of sound moral.
Anyway, I am thankful I can express my thoughts on this platform. May you all have a great day, take care, and God bless you! 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:55 pm
I don't mind religion at all. I think it is absolutely wonderful for a person to find happiness in faith, if that is what they need.
What i don't like amongst both religion and non-religion, is when either group try to convert the other part into the other part, so to speak.
It would be much better if either part were like 4 year olds with their toys, clinging to them and being all like "NO! You will not play with my religion!" or something like that, ha.
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:38 pm
Noire Samhain I'm tired of religious people trying to force their ideals upon non-religious people or people of a different religion, or non-religious people who criticize everyone's religious views with insults. I know people have the right to free speech, and freedom of religion, but is it really necessary to hurt their feelings about? I was subjected to a religious rant for five minutes when I told someone I wasn't of their religion. It upsets people. It's okay to discuss it or voice their view, but it's just uncalled for to insult them. First off you get a hug emotion_hug no one should be subjected to that. Second I totally agree with you just because you have different views about things doesn't give them a right to be an a** about it. I believe in heaven and hell that's about it, but I think a person will go to either depending on their actions not what "God" they believe in. that's as far as I will go. Again I'm really sorry you encountered one of the petty people out there so here is another hug. emotion_hug Keep believing what you want, stay strong, and that's all the advice I have.
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:10 pm
Servant Reborn Rock4ourRock, while we do not live in a theocracy, you realize that "forcing beliefs to become laws" is exactly what the justice system is. People may not base it on biblical morality necessarily, but they do the same thing you claim you do not want to do. As a believer in Christ, we have to follow what God wants, not please men. I understand what God wants is not popular opinion, but He ought to be our first priority. That requires standing for Him, and if we are able to pass righteous laws. After all, not ever law is of sound moral. :
You are the apple...
Just to start off, I love your post as a whole. Some great verses that speak to what some men do.
To this section quoted, yes, I do agree we should live to please Him, not men, however, I dont believe creating laws that we would deem "righteous" that oversee a population that may not all believe in Him is the right way to go. Instead, as a country like the USA with freedom of religion, freedom of speech, etc., etc., we should instead actually talk to people, show them the love and grace of our Lord, and persuade them to follow Him. Creating laws based on our own morals that rule over others that may not share those morals I feel would only drive more people away from the teachings of the Lord, or at the very least, never bring them to know Him and/or have them reject Him and thus they never get into Heaven.
and I am your core.
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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:44 am
Rock4ourRock Servant Reborn Rock4ourRock, while we do not live in a theocracy, you realize that "forcing beliefs to become laws" is exactly what the justice system is. People may not base it on biblical morality necessarily, but they do the same thing you claim you do not want to do. As a believer in Christ, we have to follow what God wants, not please men. I understand what God wants is not popular opinion, but He ought to be our first priority. That requires standing for Him, and if we are able to pass righteous laws. After all, not ever law is of sound moral. :
Just to start off, I love your post as a whole. Some great verses that speak to what some men do.
To this section quoted, yes, I do agree we should live to please Him, not men, however, I dont believe creating laws that we would deem "righteous" that oversee a population that may not all believe in Him is the right way to go. Instead, as a country like the USA with freedom of religion, freedom of speech, etc., etc., we should instead actually talk to people, show them the love and grace of our Lord, and persuade them to follow Him. Creating laws based on our own morals that rule over others that may not share those morals I feel would only drive more people away from the teachings of the Lord, or at the very least, never bring them to know Him and/or have them reject Him and thus they never get into Heaven.
and I am your core. I am glad you enjoyed the verses, and I enjoy this discussion though we are of opposing views. I shall sum my points and provide scripture too that you may understand where I drew my conclusion. First, sin in any form is harmful not merely to oneself, but to everyone else. The prime example is Adam and Eve's fall from grace. Now, mankind is born into sin and has to die in it. That's where Jesus Christ comes in, which is another topic. We age, sick, suffer child birth (women), we fight and kill each other, and ultimately die all because of sin. Secondly, I am not a judge in matters of scripture. What does that mean? It means I do not have the authority to sentence sinners (myself included) as to where they will end up. However, I do have the power to discern right from wrong. It is not my power, but a gift from the most High. After all, I'm dust without him. Does it mean I get it right all the time? No, I have to reevaluate my thinking, test the fruit, renew my mind. Would it be better to let the blind led the blind, and let them die in their sin? What love is that? Is it not better to warn, them? Also, are there not laws which already dictate morals? How do we establish laws if not on the basis of the Holy Bible? What, do we simply use our own conscious? In the end, it is really about loving the Lord Jesus Christ, which only comes through repentance and washing away of sin by Jesus' holy blood. Then, they are made a new creature. Alas. Colossians 2 New King James Version (NKJV) Not Philosophy but Christ 2 For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh, 2 that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and of Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ. 6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. Not Legalism but Christ 11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God. 20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh. Thirdly, the law of the Jews were given precisely for the people that they may know what sin is. If they are people who do not read scripture, they will be ignorant. So, it comes down to believers to reveal the truth. "Repent, for the kingdom of God is near." Fourth, in a perfect world we would have no kings, or human leaders. We would all have direct connection to God, but that is not so now. Someday, it will be, though. It does not matter if people believe in Him or not, his laws are still there today that we may know him. He is a righteous God and will have nothing to do with sin. Otherwise, how could he be God if he keeps the company of sins with him. He would be imperfect. Proverbs 14:34 New King James Version (NKJV) 34 Righteousness exalts a nation, But sin is a reproach to any people. Proverbs 16:12 New King James Version (NKJV) 12 It is an abomination for kings to commit wickedness, For a throne is established by righteousness. Proverbs 25:5 New King James Version (NKJV) 5 Take away the wicked from before the king, And his throne will be established in righteousness. Ezekiel 3 Ezekiel Is a Watchman 16 Now it came to pass at the end of seven days that the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 17 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore hear a word from My mouth, and give them warning from Me: 18 When I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life, that same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand. 19 Yet, if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul. 20 “Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die; because you did not give him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand. 21 Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man that the righteous should not sin, and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; also you will have delivered your soul.” 22 Then the hand of the Lord was upon me there, and He said to me, “Arise, go out into the plain, and there I shall talk with you.” 23 So I arose and went out into the plain, and behold, the glory of the Lord stood there, like the glory which I saw by the River Chebar; and I fell on my face. 24 Then the Spirit entered me and set me on my feet, and spoke with me and said to me: “Go, shut yourself inside your house. 25 And you, O son of man, surely they will put ropes on you and bind you with them, so that you cannot go out among them. 26 I will make your tongue cling to the roof of your mouth, so that you shall be mute and not be one to rebuke them, for they are a rebellious house. 27 But when I speak with you, I will open your mouth, and you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God.’ He who hears, let him hear; and he who refuses, let him refuse; for they are a rebellious house. Romans 7 New King James Version (NKJV) Freed from the Law 7 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. Sin’s Advantage in the Law 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:23 am
my favorite part is watching people using religion or the bible for an argument then someone who has actually read it uses it to essentially tell them to 'shut up, you're a clueless twit'
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