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 Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:21 am
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:35 pm
Where is he getting the idea that people in the millenial reign living with Messiah will rebel against him and get thrown out? They suffered decapitation to be there; the world beheaded them for staying loyal to him (Rev 20:4-6); they are not going to do the very thing He rewarded them for avoiding (apostasy/disloyalty/rebellion). A rebel is only concerned with self, including self-preservation. Yet they gave up their lives on earth defending and staying loyal to him and his word. Not only did they stay faithful to Jesus and keep God's commandments (Rev 14:12), but YHWH/Yeshua will give them authority to judge. They know what is righteous and what is not. I can't fathom this group of highly-dedicated, righteous, immortal people ever rebelling. They chose righteousness over the right to live. They clearly value him more than anything else. The human remains outside the city belong to the unrepentant who underwent wrath.
he only addressed one of the four verses in the entire bible that uses the word "dispensation" and didn't bother defining it, just pointed to it and said there ya' go, it means what I said it means; it's not a word that describes a specific "time" (like "century", "decade" or "age"); it just means the dispensing or administering of something (which at one point he did say, but then went back to the erroneous definition).
The "dispensation of grace", the way he is defining it, makes no sense because grace has been around since the beginning—throughout the "administrations" of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus. People were and still are considered righteous because of their faith in God and they receive grace/mercy/help from God despite not obeying to the best of their ability (Gen 15:6; Dan 9:16-18). Around the 11:46-54 mark, when he talks about YHWH's "batting average" pattern, that is what is happening now. He gives people a chance to repent, he saves a remnant, rains fire and brimstone/plagues on the rest, restores the remnant to fruitful living conditions (ultimately, we are returning to Eden according to Rev 22). That "grace period" is the same as: Jeremiah 44:22, Habakkuk 2:3, Isaiah 7:13, Malachi 2:17; he's patiently waiting for people to repent and reconcile with God (2 Pt 3:9-10; 2 Cor 5:18-20). That is the act of mercy: giving us a lengthy amount of time to repent and to come under the acceptable atonement sacrifice. Judgment is coming. Those who did repent will be protected (whether pre-trib or post-trib), but the rest who didn't repent, who didn't take advantage of his grace/mercy (of the extension/delays), will feel His wrath and plagues.
The dispensation of ark building? No wonder he doesn't like giving titles to these "dispensations" because it quickly exposes that he's using the word incorrectly. That was a specific instruction to an individual; how could that possibly be a "dispensation" the way he's defining it?
The dispensation of the law? The law that won't pass away even after the heavens and earth pass away (the ten commandments included as "words" - Exodus 20:1-17), that continues existing on the new earth and new heavens, the law that Jesus did not abolish but carried out, the law that Paul continued to defend (Mk 13:31; Is 66:22-23; Mt 5:17, Ac 24:14, 1 Tim 1:8)?
"Dispensationalism"—as defined by man—is in error with respect to grace and obedience. The actual concept of dispensationalism, using the biblical definition of "dispensation" (as found in 1 Cor 9:17; Eph 3:2; Col 1:25 and yes even Eph 1:10) , is the same concept of having different presidential administrations or rather different reigns because we belong to the Kingdom of Heaven, a monarchy/theocracy, not a democracy; sure, different things may happen within these administrations, there may be different leaders (i.e. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus), but the definition of righteousness hasn't changed. Likewise, as citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven, we are expected to live by (or at least want to live by) his instructions, his Kingdom's "constitution", what he deems right, whether we're living through the "grace" period or not. If he tells you to believe in him to get saved, then you do that. If he tells you to get on a boat, you do that. If he tells you run away from the city, into the mountains, you do it and get saved. No matter what he asks you to believe ("there's an impending danger and i'm bringing destruction, here's the way out"), it's always accompanied by instructions of something you need to do. For us, believe in Jesus, believe his teaching; if you believe the teaching you will be doing what it says: to love each other, to serve each other, to warn people of the impending destruction, to do the Father's will and live holy. Mankind is making this more complicated than it needs to be by trying to "separate" the bible into: "this is how God dealt with people then, but now it's different". No. That is false. He's been consistent and will continue to be consistent.
About setting exact dates for his return: no one should do it, no matter what -ism they subscribe to. We don't know the date. The only thing believers can do is speculate if the time is nearing by what we see taking place in the world, but we can't declare with any kind of certainty an exact date for his return. The only time we'll know the date for sure is the moment that it happens. It has nothing to do with being a "dispensationalist".
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:09 pm
real eyes realize Where is he getting the idea that people in the millenial reign living with Messiah will rebel against him and get thrown out? They suffered decapitation to be there; the world beheaded them for staying loyal to him (Rev 20:4-6); they are not going to do the very thing He rewarded them for avoiding (apostasy/disloyalty/rebellion). A rebel is only concerned with self, including self-preservation. Yet they gave up their lives on earth defending and staying loyal to him and his word. Not only did they stay faithful to Jesus and keep God's commandments (Rev 14:12), but YHWH/Yeshua will give them authority to judge. They know what is righteous and what is not. I can't fathom this group of highly-dedicated, righteous, immortal people ever rebelling. They chose righteousness over the right to live. They clearly value him more than anything else. The human remains outside the city belong to the unrepentant who underwent wrath.
he only addressed one of the four verses in the entire bible that uses the word "dispensation" and didn't bother defining it, just pointed to it and said there ya' go, it means what I said it means; it's not a word that describes a specific "time" (like "century", "decade" or "age"); it just means the dispensing or administering of something (which at one point he did say, but then went back to the erroneous definition).
The "dispensation of grace", the way he is defining it, makes no sense because grace has been around since the beginning—throughout the "administrations" of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus. People were and still are considered righteous because of their faith in God and they receive grace/mercy/help from God despite not obeying to the best of their ability (Gen 15:6; Dan 9:16-18). Around the 11:46-54 mark, when he talks about YHWH's "batting average" pattern, that is what is happening now. He gives people a chance to repent, he saves a remnant, rains fire and brimstone/plagues on the rest, restores the remnant to fruitful living conditions (ultimately, we are returning to Eden according to Rev 22). That "grace period" is the same as: Jeremiah 44:22, Habakkuk 2:3, Isaiah 7:13, Malachi 2:17; he's patiently waiting for people to repent and reconcile with God (2 Pt 3:9-10; 2 Cor 5:18-20). That is the act of mercy: giving us a lengthy amount of time to repent and to come under the acceptable atonement sacrifice. Judgment is coming. Those who did repent will be protected (whether pre-trib or post-trib), but the rest who didn't repent, who didn't take advantage of his grace/mercy (of the extension/delays), will feel His wrath and plagues.
The dispensation of ark building? No wonder he doesn't like giving titles to these "dispensations" because it quickly exposes that he's using the word incorrectly. That was a specific instruction to an individual; how could that possibly be a "dispensation" the way he's defining it?
The dispensation of the law? The law that won't pass away even after the heavens and earth pass away (the ten commandments included as "words" - Exodus 20:1-17), that continues existing on the new earth and new heavens, the law that Jesus did not abolish but carried out, the law that Paul continued to defend (Mk 13:31; Is 66:22-23; Mt 5:17, Ac 24:14, 1 Tim 1:8)?
"Dispensationalism"—as defined by man—is in error with respect to grace and obedience. The actual concept of dispensationalism, using the biblical definition of "dispensation" (as found in 1 Cor 9:17; Eph 3:2; Col 1:25 and yes even Eph 1:10) , is the same concept of having different presidential administrations or rather different reigns because we belong to the Kingdom of Heaven, a monarchy/theocracy, not a democracy; sure, different things may happen within these administrations, there may be different leaders (i.e. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus), but the definition of righteousness hasn't changed. Likewise, as citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven, we are expected to live by (or at least want to live by) his instructions, his Kingdom's "constitution", what he deems right, whether we're living through the "grace" period or not. If he tells you to believe in him to get saved, then you do that. If he tells you to get on a boat, you do that. If he tells you run away from the city, into the mountains, you do it and get saved. No matter what he asks you to believe ("there's an impending danger and i'm bringing destruction, here's the way out"), it's always accompanied by instructions of something you need to do. For us, believe in Jesus, believe his teaching; if you believe the teaching you will be doing what it says: to love each other, to serve each other, to warn people of the impending destruction, to do the Father's will and live holy. Mankind is making this more complicated than it needs to be by trying to "separate" the bible into: "this is how God dealt with people then, but now it's different". No. That is false. He's been consistent and will continue to be consistent.
About setting exact dates for his return: no one should do it, no matter what -ism they subscribe to. We don't know the date. The only thing believers can do is speculate if the time is nearing by what we see taking place in the world, but we can't declare with any kind of certainty an exact date for his return. The only time we'll know the date for sure is the moment that it happens. It has nothing to do with being a "dispensationalist". Yeah, I saw some of the same things in his talk. Thanks for the scripture and verses. That helps me a ton. Hey can you do me a favor? Mind replying with these verses, in the other Guilds I put this video in? o.o; Edit: I think he gets the idea from those who stand up for the Gospel in the times of "Jacobs Trouble" who are beheaded then at the set up of the Millennial Reign they are elected by Christ. Maybe those elect Judge and caste out those who don't deserve the Kingdom and, and in the end of the 1000 year reign Satan is let out for a little while, to cause the nations to rise up against Jesus for a final battle. I also think he understands that God was consistent in the past, but by using Dispensational division it helps break down the history in blocks. Rise the beginning being of Hope and decline being of Judgement and in each have a new understanding for those generations of peoples. I think too if you look at the chart and the lecture too literally you'll obviously be missing the summation of God's will. I'd take it as a grain of salt.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:11 pm
Please read the etiquette guide.
No copypasta links, if you post something try to make it a discussion so it will get activity.
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