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 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:38 am
I'm new to this guild and paganism in general although I have been looking into pagan practices of what makes up my heritage. Could anyone recommend a few books on Hawaiian, Portuguese, Filipino, Spanish, and Native American (Cherokee) paganism? This would greatly help on my spiritual journey.
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:03 pm
Ashputtel I'm new to this guild and paganism in general although I have been looking into pagan practices of what makes up my heritage. Could anyone recommend a few books on Hawaiian, Portuguese, Filipino, Spanish, and Native American (Cherokee) paganism? This would greatly help on my spiritual journey. Books aren't as much help with Native traditions. Native American traditions are generally not considered open traditions - their religious beliefs are often the last thing they have that is completely theirs, and don't take kindly to non-Natives appropriating their practices. For the most part, you need to be an active member of their communities to be considered a part of their peoples, and blood quotient may be a factor. If you want to properly learn, you will need to find an Elder who is willing to teach you. The degree to which they will teach an outsider varies dramatically, as well. Some may well not do more than tell you stories and keep you on the periphery of their circles. If you do not live in an area where you could contact and access an Elder, you're pretty much SOL. Since the different nations often have completely different religious beliefs and practices, you can't exactly substitute one for the other. As an aside, while it's nice to explore and learn more about your cultural heritage, in the end it may not matter at all. The deities that call you or the path you end on could have absolutely nothing to do with your ancestry. That's relatively common. So explore it and learn, but don't box yourself in to just those things.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:13 am
Anywhere in particular in Spain? I have seen a few interesting books focused on the Basque region, though I haven't read them and wouldn't know how good they are. I mention it as "Basque" may prove a fruitful search term for you.
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:54 am
Portugal is a mostly Catholic country, and has been for a good many years. The wiki article seems rather informative on historical religions (Roman and Proto-Celtic) though.
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:17 pm
To be honest I am not sure Sanguina Cruenta but anything would help.
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:55 pm
Spain was settled by both Iberian and Celtic peoples in antiquity. They ended up merging and were known as Celtiberians during the Roman period. Around 400 AD German tribes started moving in, as well. Portugual was pretty much in the same boat. San's suggestion is a good one - the Basque are the cultural remnant of an older Celtic culture. You're looking at sort of a mixed bag; maybe Gaulish deities (synchronized with Roman deities), Germanic deities (which might vary depending on the tribe). There isn't a lot of records, unfortunately, making primary sources scarce - most of what you'll find was recorded by the Romans. You may have better luck looking at folk magic and witchcraft practices in both Spanish and Portuguese culture - it will give you some idea of what beliefs and practices survived the advent of Christianity, and maybe point to some sources for you. San's suggestion is a good one - the Basque are the remnant of the older culture, and Basque witchcraft has been documented historically. The only direction I can think to give you re: Philippines is a Tumblr, oddly enough. http://akoaykayumanggi.tumblr.com/post/25959049239/my-spiritual-and-ethnic-beliefs - I don't know how much you'll get from reading that blog, but it's a place to start. Scott Cunningham wrote a fairly decent 101-type book about Hawaiian spirituality - http://www.amazon.com/Hawaiian-Magic-Spirituality-Scott-Cunningham/dp/1567181880. Indigenous populations of the Pacific tend to share things in common, as they're largely descended from the same cultural group, the Maori. That's another direction to look in.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:34 am
Morgandria Indigenous populations of the Pacific tend to share things in common, as they're largely descended from the same cultural group, the Maori. That's another direction to look in. The Polynesian cultures do all have similarities, but the Maori are just New Zealand, really. It's the sort of thing where the Maori culture is considered to have evolved here, largely, at least insofar as they're not called "Maori" until they get here, and they didn't get here until like 1200AD. Before then it's a sort of "ancestors of the Maori" situation. I mean I don't know jack about - I mean I do know some things about Maori culture but - I mean, like, we have a lot of Samoans and Tongans here and they would sort of not know what to make of the suggestion that their ancestors were Maori. I guess if anything it would be the other way around. There were migrations (they think) of the indigenous Taiwanese people that went down across all of Polynesia. Maybe you were thinking of the Cook Islands Maori? The Cook Islanders or Cook Island Maori are a separate culture from the Maori. ("Maori" means "normal" so that might be why - their languages have mutual intelligibility but again they're separate languages.) The current theory is that the Cook Islanders of however long ago travelled to NZ and to French Polynesia. Not sure about Hawaii, though. Tbh language wise, from just looking at the languages and from the sound of them, I'd guess Hawaiian is closer to Tongan than anything else. It's funny because there are so many similarities in common words across Polynesian languages but some of them sound so incredibly different. Maybe it's an accent thing. xd But yeah, I think it's a bit like saying all Plains Indians are descended from one cultural group, the Lakota. Doesn't really make any sense.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:40 am
Sanguina Cruenta The Polynesian cultures do all have similarities, but the Maori are just New Zealand, really. Apparently one can't trust any level of anthropology, these days. confused So glad I paid for that education... Disregard my comments re: Maori.
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:30 am
I was also looking for information on Gaulish deities, thanks for pointing out the availability of sources, Morgandria : )
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:45 pm
MasonAshdown I was also looking for information on Gaulish deities, thanks for pointing out the availability of sources, Morgandria : ) The Gaulish deities were very very regional. Although you had hundreds of Celtic tribes spread across Europe, there were relatively few pan-Gaulish deities. So which deities you worshiped really depended not only on your tribe, but the location in which your village or town was. It can get complicated really fast!
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:39 am
I've noticed that too, I have kind of an idea about which tribes were settled here in the region of my hometown, but there isn't any further information that I can find.
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