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 Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:53 am
So I got in a huge discussion with one of the older gentlemen at my church about music. He was saying that a lot of artist aren't truly Christian artist because some of their songs don't mention God. (Note that he's talking about the Christian genre not the person's spiritual walk) What are your views on the subject?
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:20 pm
I don't think I've come across a single song in the Christian genre that doesn't talk about YHWH/Yeshua, who he is or how he functions in that individual's life, or almost a prayer of sorts to help them be a better Christian, or just praising him for who he is (the creator of the universe, father, etc...). Did that older gentlemen mean the word "God" has to be in the song or having zero references to a higher power/afterlife/or anything biblical? I wouldn't question their belief if they're singing about day-to-day problems, dealing with them in Christ-like ways, even if they don't mention him by name in every song, they still have to use pronouns like "He", and they're still mentioning his character. Though it's kind of difficult not to mention him and give him the glory for your artistic talents and what you're producing with them. If they failed to mention him in any of their songs, period, I would question if they truly believed. Doesn't he inspire them at all...? They could be a baby believer that needs to grow more in the faith, but if they've been believing for years and not a single peep about their Messiah or their Heavenly Father or the afterlife seeps into their music, I don't think they've fully believed. Otherwise, they'd be using at least one song to evangelize even in a small way or give him praise. They have a means through which to communicate their faith in him and they should utilize it for the Kingdom. At the end of the day, what's really in their heart? Quote: Luke 6:45 (NIV) 45 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:45 pm
 I have always found accusations like that to be incredibly stupid. Just because a song doesn't mention God doesn't make it bad.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:36 pm
None of the music I write has lyrics. Ohnoes, I must not be a true believer. rolleyes
That being said, isn't the purpose of "Christian music" as a genre sort of the fact that it has obviously spiritual lyrics?
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:05 pm
I listen to christian music that doesn't mention God by name, some I refer to God as "He/Him/You" and I still consider that to be a Christian song.
One of my favorite Christian Artists is called Britt Nicole.
She is a gifted young woman and through her beautiful voice (given by God) she has reached many girls around the world, and she has quite a few songs not about God, but they are uplifting, and encouraging and she is still a christian artist.
Just like if for some reason I don't pray or talk about God for a whole day, that doesn't suddenly make me not a true christian.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:06 am
I'm refering to Brooke Fraiser's "Something in the Water" in which she's talking about her love for her husband. My stance was she also sings with Hillsong United and sings "Lead Me to the Cross" which we sing in church. Just because it doesn't mention God doesn't mean it's not giving Him praise. In fact the book of Esther never mentions God or refers to Him once in the entire book yet it still gives Him glory. So why can't a song do the same thing?
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:11 am
SinfulGuillotine None of the music I write has lyrics. Ohnoes, I must not be a true believer. rolleyes That being said, isn't the purpose of "Christian music" as a genre sort of the fact that it has obviously spiritual lyrics? Read my post again Engy. I state it's the genre not the walk.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:06 am
emorhconom esor So I got in a huge discussion with one of the older gentlemen at my church about music. He was saying that a lot of artist aren't truly Christian artist because some of their songs don't mention God. (Note that he's talking about the Christian genre not the person's spiritual walk) What are your views on the subject? He must really hate Christian instrumental music, like Jazz and Classical. They never say 'God' in 'em. (As a musician, I'd simply smile, nod, and walk away).
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:20 am
emorhconom esor SinfulGuillotine None of the music I write has lyrics. Ohnoes, I must not be a true believer. rolleyes That being said, isn't the purpose of "Christian music" as a genre sort of the fact that it has obviously spiritual lyrics? Read my post again Engy. I state it's the genre not the walk. I realised that slightly too late.
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:20 pm
Like Skillet and Family Force five? well... actually never mind I think they have a [i[few songs that refer to God... either that or they are not so obvious.
That seems to be the thing really with some Christian artists, they could be interpreted as either them singing about God or Singing about some other topic... some are just obviously not singing about God
Anyway... I'm not sure about that. I'm kinda curious about it myself.
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:36 pm
RyuShikyo Yagari Like Skillet and Family Force five? well... actually never mind I think they have a [i[few songs that refer to God... either that or they are not so obvious. That seems to be the thing really with some Christian artists, they could be interpreted as either them singing about God or Singing about some other topic... some are just obviously not singing about God Anyway... I'm not sure about that. I'm kinda curious about it myself. Flyleaf does that but it's because they are trying to broaden their audience. It's how they spread God's word. That and they perform at bars because that's what God has called them to do.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:59 pm
Yes, it would be better that all christian bands would say God's name in their songs, but they dont have to. Demon Hunter, for most of their songs to my knowledge, dont mention God by name. But they are a christian band, in fact in the 'Thanks to:' part of one of their albums the first 3 mentions are The Son, The Father and The Holy Spirit. Obviously are Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit. Skillit is another Christian Band that mentions God by Name in songs but just because they do and D.H doesnt most of the time does that make them different? Both bands praise God in different ways with their vastly different genres, D.H being heavy metal, and Skillet being Alternative Rock/Rock. It all matters what the band members believe really and what the message of the song is. If a band's song message says to go out and slaughter dogs in the name of God well, then check the bible, if the bible contradicts what the song is saying then obviously not what God wants, therefore, not a christian band. But if they do go with what the bible says, then their claims of being Christian are well found.
Skillet Awake and Alive:
I'm at war with the world and they
Try to pull me into the dark (The world (Society) trying to turn people from God)
I struggle to find my faith
As I'm slippin' from your arms (The person is slowly believing Society (the world) and turning from God)
It's getting harder to stay awake (They are falling into a state of sleep, away from God)
And my strength is fading fast
You breathe into me at last (As they are falling away God breathes into them giving them strength to turn back to Him)
[Chorus]
I'm awake I'm alive (they are back with God)
Now I know what I believe inside (Self explanitory)
Now it's my time
I'll do what I want 'cause this is my life (They will not follow the world but follow God which is what they want)
here (right here), right now (right now)
I'll stand my ground and never back down (They wont turn from God)
I know what I believe inside
I'm awake and I'm alive
I'm at war with the world cause I
Ain't never gonna sell my soul (they wont turn away from God for worldly posessions.)
I've already made up my mind
No matter what I can't be bought or sold (same thing, they wont turn from God)
When my faith is getting weak
And I feel like giving in
You breathe into me again (When their strength is starting to dwindle they turn to God who gives them Strength.)
[Chorus]
I'm awake I'm alive
Now I know what I believe inside
Now it's my time
I'll do what I want 'cause this is my life
here (right here), right now (right now)
I'll stand my ground and never back down
I know what I believe inside
I'm awake and I'm alive
Waking up waking up
Waking up waking up
Waking up waking up
Waking up waking up (they are now awake seeing God and his truth)
In the dark (eyes closes as Society is from God)
I can feel you in my sleep
In your arms I feel you breathe into me (They feel God even though they have turned from him He is turning them back to Him)
Forever hold this heart that I will give to you
Forever I will live for you (They will never turn away from God.)
[Chorus]
I'm awake I'm alive
Now I know what I believe inside
Now it's my time
I'll do what I want 'cause this is my life
here (right here), right now (right now)
I'll stand my ground and never back down
I know what I believe inside
I'm awake and I'm alive
Waking up waking up
Waking up waking up
Waking up waking up
Waking up waking up
This song does not say God by name but obviously points to him as i pointed out.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:13 am
This fella must not be a fan of CCM. He would not enjoy my church.
My favorite Christian band often uses the voice of God in their music (Why are you afraid of the dark tonight, little one? I'm right beside you."), which more or less means that they won't be saying God's name, cause that would sound inappropriate.
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I kind of find myself taking an opposite stance. I find spiritual messages in secular music all the time. What's important is that they have spiritual meaning to me. If he only gets his worship on to strictly Christian music, then he's gotta do what he's gotta do. But I personally think that severely limits the scope of everyday worship experiences he can have.
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:52 am
I don't think that they have to mention the name of God in them to be about God or to be considered Christian music.
Some artists take an approach that gets their music played on other stations other than just Christian radio so that the message of God can be heard on secular stations, thus being able to reach people who would not have heard it otherwise, many times when there is to much God mentioned in a song (not by my standards of course) then some stations won't play it because it's not pop or rock or whatever, it's simply Christian, instead of rock with Christian messages smile
Hopefully that made sense mrgreen
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