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 Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:34 pm
AmeixaNeko Yeah, considering a crucifix is just a pagan graven image anyway. Quote: Automatic writing was used in seances, not text messaging. lol It's kind of like using a Ouija board. And yes if you want demons/spirits to channel messages to you while your not conscious aware invoking them is the right way to do it. Quote: I can agree that this one seems harmless. I don't think chain letters were of the same use before modern technology. Quote: Sure, just look out for the promotion of 666 in music videos, and pentagram symbolism. Quote: Ever heard of mind control caused by hypnosis or trauma. Also dissociative disorder caused by mind control can fall under this category. Quote: I guess what the author meant is that if you are a Christian, or a new believer in Christ, and own these books; you should burn them. Our God gave us the right to worship, accept, and believe in many religions(gods) at one time, or multiple??? Umm..Which God? I thought we Christians were only supposed to believe there was one God. You haven't read the Bible have you? You don't seem know who your God is, and what He stands for. The biggest lie Satan ever told is that there is more than one way to God. You have a dusty bible at home, go take it off the shelf and read it.
If in a general sense, I can agree with you; in a personal sense, I would say you're making a pretty grand accusation from little to no evidence of my own beliefs.
Saying that, that part of the list came across rather general; I'm not a big fan of certain kinds of censorship, let alone people (and governments) who become presumptuous towards others' religious and expressive freedoms. Because honestly, at the end of the day, if someone wants to believe something that I don't, whether it makes sense to me or not, that's their right. That was the point I was making.
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:39 am
ca adam I think it's important to say that she DID write "Possible Demonic Entry Points," which comes across as certain points that have the potential to be demonic, but might not be depending? Am I getting that right? I hope so, because I disagree with some of this list, but a lot of I do agree with. I'll just go over the things I don't agree with.
[ ] Acupuncture
I cannot agree that acupuncture is demonic. It's actually a very effective therapy for lots of people that has nothing to do with spirituality. Maybe for some it does, but I've not met many people who think that way.
[ ] Amulets (tigers claw, sharks tooth, horseshoe over door, mascots, talisman (magic picture)
Not everyone wears teeth and claws for spiritual purposes. I know that it tends to be more of a fashion statement for some; I saw a lot of shark teeth necklaces growing up on the Californian coast. It was just a trend of the people there, nothing else.
Just like how crucifixes and crosses are a fashion trend nowadays. *shakes head*
[ ] Automatic writing
I suppose people who text in their sleep are potentially opening demonic gates. (joke)
I actually DO agree that the traditional understanding of automatic writing is dangerous, and somewhat attention seeking.
[ ] Chain letters
I suppose depending on the intention within the chain letter, it can be bad. But, when I was making chain letters in grade school, it was just a means of having fun with my friends, a form of communication. We never made it more than that. So I somewhat disagree with this.
[ ] Charms and charming for wart removal
I... don't even know. But all right. emotion_awesome
[ ] Colour therapy
I have to completely disagree with this one. Color therapy is really therapy for a lot of people. In fact, it's scientifically proven that colors affect our moods. Companies will paint their buildings certain colors in order to affect their customers' moods. They do the same in many hospitals in order to promote a calmer, more relaxing atmosphere for patients. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples out there.
[ ] Eastern meditation/religious - Gurus, Mantras, Yoga, Temples etc
Now, I can see where yoga comes into the picture, but I can see where it can also be left out.
Over here in the Western world, yoga doesn't usually have the same impact on people as it does in the East. In the East, it's connected to Hinduism, where as with most Western people, it's just another exercise routine and has nothing to do with gods or spirituality.
So... I agree and disagree.
[ ] Gothic rock music
Hmm... not all Goth music is demonic, though.
[ ] Handwriting analysis (for fortune telling)
I was going to say: handwriting analysis is a legitimate science when it comes to, for example, criminal profiling. You can do it with anyone, though, if you have the experience.
But for fortune telling... well, that's different because it involves the spiritual plane.
[ ] Hex signs (hexagrams)
I find the Star of David to be a beautiful symbol. But I know hexagrams have been used for other purposes.
[ ] Mind control
ZOMBIES! (another joke)
[ ] Occult literature, eg Seal of Solomon, The Greater World, The Secret, Aleister Crowley, Anton Le Vay, Sylvia Brown
* Such books should be burned, regardless of cost.
But that would be infringing on people's freedom of religion, which I think is not only valid through our constitution, but also through our humanity. We all have a right to believe what we want; God gave us that right, so who are we to take it away?
[ ] Rhabdomancy (casting sticks into the air for interpreting omens)
Would you consider casting lots to be demonic? Since I'm lazy, I'm just going to go with what she said. I guess the closest to "dabbling in the occult" I've ever come is that I always wear a crucifix, and I'm going to need to some convincing that there's anything occult-like or wrong with that. Plus it's a family heirloom that was left to me by my father when he died, and I wore it even when I didn't identify as Christian because it has sentimental as well as spiritual value to me. EDIT: And I am staunchly against book burning of any kind, no matter the book. Book burning is a symbol of some of the most appalling periods in history and to me symbolises nothing but a desire to limit one's freedoms and trying to control what people think, which is never something I'll support. If a certain book or author offends you, it's much simpler (and less totalitarian) to simply not buy it or if it's in your dwelling for some reason, either just don't read it or donate it to a second-hand store along with those jeans that don't fit anymore.
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:02 am
....whew....um...I might have already spoken on this...but some of the subjects you covered with that list...fall under certain catagories that should not really be...um....listed as such....for instance...pagan holidays....
are you familiar with the holiday...christmass?
it is not the day christ was born...but the day we celebrate his birth....we dont know the time he was born....so in responce to the rising pagan conflicts we desecrated their holiday by celebrating our own most sacred holiday over theirs.
we have to avoid the styreo type christian...as in..the view that if its not christian its satanism.....
it is an extremely flawed view that causes problems for us all.
other religions should be left out of that list....for instance the main beef with paganism was caused by the swedish crusades...which was ONLY a cover for the invasion of what is now finnland. sweden payed a high ranking memeber of the roman catholic church to sanction the crusade without the authorization from the pope. it was a heresy against God and they percecuted a peacefull people for it. yes they had problems but it was worse than what happened to native americans...and almost as bad as what happened when the slave trade started up in africa.
believe it or not satanism exists because of the swedish crusades. yes it would have existed without them but it would have been significantly less and it would have definatly been somethign else..
I am not saying certain veiws are right or wrong but only we cannot condem these things as we are. its up to God to do so.
for instance did you all know that the greatest evangalist the world has ever seen studied buddism. and he used what he learned from it to make a breakthrough in america's greatest civial rights movement of all time. yes...martian luther king junior was that man. he went to india to study passive resistance as ghandi did
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:39 am
kesuke uchiha ....whew....um...I might have already spoken on this...but some of the subjects you covered with that list...fall under certain catagories that should not really be...um....listed as such....for instance...pagan holidays.... are you familiar with the holiday...christmass? it is not the day christ was born...but the day we celebrate his birth....we dont know the time he was born....so in responce to the rising pagan conflicts we desecrated their holiday by celebrating our own most sacred holiday over theirs. we have to avoid the styreo type christian...as in..the view that if its not christian its satanism..... it is an extremely flawed view that causes problems for us all. other religions should be left out of that list....for instance the main beef with paganism was caused by the swedish crusades...which was ONLY a cover for the invasion of what is now finnland. sweden payed a high ranking memeber of the roman catholic church to sanction the crusade without the authorization from the pope. it was a heresy against God and they percecuted a peacefull people for it. yes they had problems but it was worse than what happened to native americans...and almost as bad as what happened when the slave trade started up in africa. believe it or not satanism exists because of the swedish crusades. yes it would have existed without them but it would have been significantly less and it would have definatly been somethign else.. I am not saying certain veiws are right or wrong but only we cannot condem these things as we are. its up to God to do so. for instance did you all know that the greatest evangalist the world has ever seen studied buddism. and he used what he learned from it to make a breakthrough in america's greatest civial rights movement of all time. yes...martian luther king junior was that man. he went to india to study passive resistance as ghandi did Agreed. I feel it's important for everyone to have at least a basic knowledge of the major religions, at least. Ignorance breeds fear and fear breeds hate. Knowledge is power, kidlets. Even in my Catholic secondary school we were taught Roman/Greek mythology. Try translating and understanding the Aeneid without any knowledge of the mythology on which it's based. Yeah. You're going to be more lost than a tourist with no map who won't ask for directions.
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:26 am
SinfulGuillotine I guess the closest to "dabbling in the occult" I've ever come is that I always wear a crucifix, and I'm going to need to some convincing that there's anything occult-like or wrong with that. Plus it's a family heirloom that was left to me by my father when he died, and I wore it even when I didn't identify as Christian because it has sentimental as well as spiritual value to me. The crucifix was a pagan symbol, and execution weapon. It depends on how you use the cross, or how you perceive it. Jesus did say to his disciples, "If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross, and follow me." If you're wearing the cross to remember His words, and His sacrifice; and you said you wear yours for sentimental value, there's nothing really wrong with that. Quote:
It was first used in ancient Babylon. Upon Nimrod’s death, his wife Semiramis exalted her infant son, Tammuz, as Nimrod re-born. God-king worship became quickly entrenched among the ancient Babylonians…and the Tau symbol – the first character of Tammuz’ name became a key symbol in Babylonian worship.
But Nimrod worship spread throughout the ancient world. Nimrod-reborn as Tammuz was associated with the Tau symbol in the pre-Christian, pagan worship of the ancient Babylonians, Orientals, Philistines, Egyptians. It crept into what became the Roman Catholic Church and then was adopted by the various Protestant denominations. The pagan Tau now adorns most church buildings and priestly costumes – just as it did in the ancient, pagan world! But it never adorned Christ, the Apostles or the membership of the original New Testament Church.
To argue that this heathen symbol “is now OK to use and honor because the meaning now points to Christ,” is not only to ignore that Jesus Christ and the Apostles and the original New Testament Church never worshipped or revered the cross (they saw it for what it was – a pagan symbol and a cruel instrument of death), but is also to ignore the words of Jeremiah the prophet – “Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen” (Jeremiah 10:2, KJV).
While human memory is short, and most simply do not understand the pagan history of the cross, the Almighty God does remember where the symbol came from! He remembers the cry of burning infants sacrificed to Baal (Ezekiel 16:20&21)! He remembers the cruel instrument of crucifixion upon which many died, even including His Son.
For more on how ancient pagan Babylonish practices been adopted into modern false-Christianity, read the Tomorrow’s World articlehttp://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/commentary/tw-comm.cgi?category=Commentary1&item=1258746663When they say occult amulets they mean more like pentagrams, Seal of Solomon, vials of blood, ankhs, Eye of Horus. Amulets used to summon or channel demons or occult power. ect
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:49 pm
Who's worshiping or revering the cross? I don't think there are many Christians who do, and those who do are making the cross into an idol. Thus, what they're really doing is called idolatry.
I think for a lot of Christians, the cross is a reminder of the suffering and sacrifice of Jesus. When I look at a cross, I don't respect the cross itself, but the meaning behind it. The cross is just wood; it's an object that means nothing by itself. You can burn all the crosses in all the churches in the world and you would not take away the reality of what Jesus did for us. Sure, burning a cross might upset a lot of Christians because of the reasons why people burn crosses, but it doesn't destroy the sacrifice and promise.
So I think that's where the line is drawn, is remembering that the cross is only a representation, a reminder, not the actual object of worship itself. The moment we do the latter, we make ourselves idolaters. We step over that line.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:13 pm
AmeixaNeko A-B0T
Yoga is just an exercise. How is stretching and bending to tone your body any type of worship? That's like saying a Satanist inventing Ping Pong makes Ping Pong a demonic practice or something.
There is nothing wrong with stretching or exercise. Try pilates, fitness, general stretching exercises, or another alternative, if you like Yoga. There is more to yoga than just stretching. It's focused on the inner self awakening, vibrations, chakra, channeling, and opening up one's third eye. It is a form of Hinduism and Buddhism. The positions that are used in Yoga are used as offerings to the 330 million Hindu gods. (Yoga postures really are offerings to the "gods".) If you do these postures, and you do this breathing technique and this meditation then it was understood that you are accepted by a Hindu god.” It's part of the new age movement. You should google the origins of Yoga, and the New Age Movement. If you didn't know already, the God(YHWH/Jesus) you serve, does not like it. The Bible talks about Hebrews in the old testament offering themselves up to other gods/idols, and God (YHWH) was pretty Beep off. (Read the Bible) And keep your eyes open.Watch your mouth pleas. - Subby 
If people aren't practicing all that meditation and spiritual BS it's a simple exorcize and there's nothing wrong with that. A certain style of stretching doesn't make someone a devil worshipper. It's always that literal.
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