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 Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:32 pm
I picked this up from anther thread on another site.
It appears a German scientist was succesful in using stem cells to repair the broken spines in several mice. He used stem cells to fill in the gaps and the mice regained some of the movment in their hind legs. Thats all that was said.
Now, the question must be asked, what stem cells? As much as I would love to see stem cell research progress I don't want the use of stem cells taken from aborted fetuses, this would only lead to the promotion of abortion. "We can finaly save lives with this, we need those dead babies" (exagerated statment, obviously, but not too far form the truth)
Of coarse, unaltered stem cells can be taken form bone marrow as well as the placenta.
I'm too lazy to look up the info on the exact story sweatdrop , but if some one could find it, that would be great.
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:53 pm
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:04 pm
stressed Damn it...they used stem cells form aborted fetuses...great...just great...
Despite what fetal stem cells can do, the life of one human is too much of a price to pay simply for the health of another.
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:51 pm
I agree. The health of one person does not mean more than the life of an unborn human. I think stem cells should only be taken from willing participants.
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:39 pm
Um, I'm fairly certain they don't use stem cells from aborted fetuses. Stem cells from fetuses would essentially be the same as those from adults. Embryos are mostly stem cells, not fetuses that are developed enough to actually abort.
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:41 pm
La Veuve Zin Um, I'm fairly certain they don't use stem cells from aborted fetuses. Stem cells from fetuses would essentially be the same as those from adults. Embryos are mostly stem cells, not fetuses that are developed enough to actually abort. Oh...okay...and how are these embryos obtained?
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:48 pm
Embryonic stem cells are taken from the blastocyst stage. It ends up destroying a human embryo.
If you feel a blastocyst is just a lump of cells, this is no problem. If you feel that personhood starts at conception, it is.
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:53 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle La Veuve Zin Um, I'm fairly certain they don't use stem cells from aborted fetuses. Stem cells from fetuses would essentially be the same as those from adults. Embryos are mostly stem cells, not fetuses that are developed enough to actually abort. Oh...okay...and how are these embryos obtained? Either from fertility clinics or, as was done in South Korea, they're created for the purpose. I'm not saying that's a good and ethical thing to do, but please don't claim that aborted fetuses are used. They're not.
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:12 pm
Misinformations, we're all victums of it. I'll ask that you not treat me as though I'm making a flase claim before you know the whoel situation. It would have been far more fair to simply tell me that feti are not used, but embryos are and leave it at that.
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:49 pm
we should use the stem-cells we have now, otherwise the lives will be truly wasted- though medical aplication will not repent for the lives lost, it is at least some consolation for their death. again though, it would be like justifying the holocaust for the medical "research" he performed... stem cell research cannot be allowed to justify abortion, it is not an excuse. but we should use the existing stem cells. it is a tough subject, though it is true, stem cells can be taken from bone marrow.
lymelady, i'm sorry about your mother. may i ask what happened?
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:55 pm
divineseraph we should use the stem-cells we have now, otherwise the lives will be truly wasted- though medical aplication will not repent for the lives lost, it is at least some consolation for their death. again though, it would be like justifying the holocaust for the medical "research" he performed... stem cell research cannot be allowed to justify abortion, it is not an excuse. but we should use the existing stem cells. it is a tough subject, though it is true, stem cells can be taken from bone marrow. lymelady, i'm sorry about your mother. may i ask what happened? I'm pretty sure that the embryonic stem cells used in research are more likely to come from artificial insemination then regular abortion; In artificial insemination, a whole batch of embryos are "created" using the parents' sperm and eggs. The ones that aren't implanted at that time are either frozen or thrown away, or, if it's legal, used for stem cell research. Which it's not legal in the States anymore, I don't think. But abortion usually happens too late for the stem cells to be of much use, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:08 pm
She got polio from my sister's vaccine, 25 years ago about. It left her left leg paralyzed.
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:43 pm
I.Am divineseraph we should use the stem-cells we have now, otherwise the lives will be truly wasted- though medical aplication will not repent for the lives lost, it is at least some consolation for their death. again though, it would be like justifying the holocaust for the medical "research" he performed... stem cell research cannot be allowed to justify abortion, it is not an excuse. but we should use the existing stem cells. it is a tough subject, though it is true, stem cells can be taken from bone marrow. lymelady, i'm sorry about your mother. may i ask what happened? I'm pretty sure that the embryonic stem cells used in research are more likely to come from artificial insemination then regular abortion; In artificial insemination, a whole batch of embryos are "created" using the parents' sperm and eggs. The ones that aren't implanted at that time are either frozen or thrown away, or, if it's legal, used for stem cell research. Which it's not legal in the States anymore, I don't think. But abortion usually happens too late for the stem cells to be of much use, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. Not illigle. Government funidng has been cut though down to wait embryos they have left. Once the supply dries up, so too does their funding fromt he government, at that point they have to go to private organisations, whi, form what I under stand, is extremly hard to work on.
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:59 am
lymelady Adult stem cell research shows promise. There's less chance of rejection and tumors and all that junk if they take the cells directly from your own body. I hope that work goes well. I keep thinking maybe my mom'll be able to walk again. Silly dream I guess, but it's a dream nonetheless.
Umbilical stem cells have also shown great potential.
Stem cell research is such a frustrating topic for me. I don't get why people insist on thriving on controversy. Any sane, logical person would expect them to exhaust all options with adult stem cells and umbilical stem cells before getting in such a tiring and pointless tizzy over the absolute "need" to use embryonic stem cells, especially since this is the first I've ever heard about them being useful while for years adult stem cells have been useful.
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:59 pm
*bets $20 that some random Choicer's going to take this story and - *
"Oh my God! See? Abortion isn't all for the sake of death! It can help people! W00t!"
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But besides this, I hope they take the research a step further and find a way to take stem cells from corpses of people who willingly admitted their bodies for transplants and other helpful procedures.
That would be most helpful, so we could save our wittle bebbies and still be able to continue science's process.
>^0^<
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