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 Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:19 pm
I know the guild is pretty dead, but to those wandering around I'd like to hear a few opinions on this, since this confused me quite a lot.
I used to think that Masculanism was like anti-feminism until I noticed that a few things feminists say don't really deal with female inequality. I decided to look both terms up and it turns out they mean nearly the exact. Same. Thing.
Except for 2 things.
Masculanism focuses entirely on men's rights, such as most women getting less harsh sentences than men when it comes to many offenses, etc.
Feminism is SUPPOSED to focus entirely on women's rights, meaning that you're not promoting feminism by saying a man should get a say in abortion.
I think over time people got smart enough to realize that both sides have some sort of inequality, and they grouped them all together under one name, but it's politically incorrect to call yourself a feminist while defending men's rights. I think this is why a lot of people say feminism is going to make this a female-dominated society, they look at the true definition of the term and realize what it will do. Luckily, I know that there are a lot of feminists out there that want complete equal rights, including men's rights, we should just watch out for the few who think being a white male sets you up for the perfect life ( it MAY make things slightly easier, but in today's society everyone is too scared to deny a woman anything in case they get sued for being called 'sexist'.)
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:19 am
Quote: fem·i·nism/ˈfeməˌnizəm/ Noun: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. How can someone look at the definition and think it means "female domination"? Equality with men - gender equality - is all it means. Because great advancements have been made over the last century in many Western countries, branches of modern feminism also focus on men's rights in, for example, custodial battles. The idea too is that as roles open up for women, they should also open up for men: more men should feel able to become kindergarten teachers, or homemakers, or whatever the ******** it is men want to do but feel aren't "masculine" enough roles. Girls can be - or should be able to be - truck-drivers and boys to be nannies without either gender being called "gay" for choosing such a career path. And for me, as a feminist, highlighting domestic violence against men in both gay and straight relationships is fairly important. But recent attacks on women in the United States are sobering. I grew up thinking girls and boys were equal and expecting to be treated that way. This new "women can't have sex" thing is weird and disturbing to me, and it makes me wonder whether this sexist attitude has just been lying dormant, or whether I just haven't seen it. My only concern is whether masculanism was created as a reaction against women's rights advocacy, which would sort of disturb me. I don't think I like the idea of pitting genders against one another in that sort of way, you know? I hate to think of two organisations yelling slurs at one another based on gender.
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:09 pm
Sanguina Cruenta Quote: fem·i·nism/ˈfeməˌnizəm/ Noun: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. How can someone look at the definition and think it means "female domination"? Equality with men - gender equality - is all it means. I get that, but the two are really just opposite sides of the same coin, hoping for the same thing. But you must understand, according to the definition, it advocates WOMEN'S rights, not men's. Masculanism is advocating men's rights, but not women's. A lot of people have gotten this mixed up. But, really, a person can be on both teams. It's just unfortunate that some on one team think the other is out to get them. But a lot of people interpret that feminists are only out to give women all the good things men get, none of the bad, which is not strictly true. But if women WERE to get the exact same treatment as men, they would have to lose some rights or advantage, which women hypocritically will not give up. Luckily, these feminists will make sure that men have the same rights and thus neither side has an advantage, but you are no longer dealing with woman's inequality which feminism is about, you're dealing with men's, which is masculanism. I just want to highlight that the term 'feminist' doesn't mean you're up for equality on both sides. Or, you are, you just want both the good AND the bad.
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:02 pm
Kusugari Sanguina Cruenta Quote: fem·i·nism/ˈfeməˌnizəm/ Noun: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. How can someone look at the definition and think it means "female domination"? Equality with men - gender equality - is all it means. I get that, but the two are really just opposite sides of the same coin, hoping for the same thing. But you must understand, according to the definition, it advocates WOMEN'S rights, not men's. Masculanism is advocating men's rights, but not women's. A lot of people have gotten this mixed up. But, really, a person can be on both teams. It's just unfortunate that some on one team think the other is out to get them. But a lot of people interpret that feminists are only out to give women all the good things men get, none of the bad, which is not strictly true. But if women WERE to get the exact same treatment as men, they would have to lose some rights or advantage, which women hypocritically will not give up. Luckily, these feminists will make sure that men have the same rights and thus neither side has an advantage, but you are no longer dealing with woman's inequality which feminism is about, you're dealing with men's, which is masculanism. I just want to highlight that the term 'feminist' doesn't mean you're up for equality on both sides. Or, you are, you just want both the good AND the bad. Feminism aims for equality between men and women. If women still enjoyed all the "perks" of a sexist society while eliminating the objective disadvantages, that wouldn't be equality. That's not what feminism is about.
Besides, a lot of feminists will tell you that even the ways sexism "benefits" women really hurt women in the end. It's like how a woman can practically expect to get away with domestic violence. That's not a good thing, besides the obvious reasons that people shouldn't be able to beat their spouses. It comes from the idea that women are weak and defenseless and couldn't possibly hurt a man. And the fact that our culture thinks that way is obviously destructive.
When you focus on women's equality to men, you focus on men's equality to women too.
Also, I love how people think that feminists are hypocrites because they want equal respect and pay but don't want to give up being treated like fragile princesses. What feminists are they talking to? As if we seriously won't know what to do if we have to pay for our own meals/drinks or have to open a door for ourselves. XD That's not what feminism is about at all.
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