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 Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:31 am
Lord Kilo Von Mortenson rmcdra Lord Kilo Von Mortenson It is like that for some people. Unfortunately, although many people in some form or another practice something equivalent to Jediism, I have yet to find any other name or group unifying them. Basically anyone who focuses on self improvement, health of spirit, mind, and body, helping other people, and maintaining self control already practices most of Jediism. And this covers most religions really. The paths may be different, but the goals and direction are the same. Sounds like my Gnostic group tbh. Edit: Though I hold to the opinion that the goals and direction may be different. While some religions may be trying for the same goal and direction, some are trying for different goals and directions. Some are headed for the mountain and some are headed for the forest, or the river, or just anyplace else. I can think of three just off the top of my head, one of which is meant as a joke, that doesn't go in the same direction as 'most' religions. Most religions, at least most of the ones I know about, focus on moral improvement and spiritual growth. They encourage maintaining a healthy mind, body, and spirit in one way or another. They usually have their own methods and sometimes unique lessons, but the goal is what I meant by direction. The focus of improvement and growth is what I was referring to. I think by your words you may have seen this quote already, but I thought I'd share it in case anyone else hasn't. It's one of my favorites. "Each and every master, regardless of the era or place, heard the call and attained harmony with heaven and earth. There are many paths to Mount Fuji, but the goal is the same. There are many methods of reaching the top, and they all bring us to the heights. There is no need to battle with each other--we are all brothers and sisters who should walk the Path together, hand in hand. Keep to your Path, and nothing else will matter. When you lose your desire for things that do not matter, you will be free." -Ueshiba There are quite a few that could care less about moral improvement or spiritual growth, some are purely about ego stroking or embracing delusions, though no path is completely immune to these types of interpolations. Edit: Let me give you a simple example about why I believe that there are different paths and different locations other than "the top of the mountain". Let's look at the Norse and Christian afterlifes. While they are both afterlifes they have different descriptions and have different conditions to get to them. If all paths were the same or lead to the same location then why are there different requirements to get to these different locations.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:05 am
rmcdra Lord Kilo Von Mortenson rmcdra Lord Kilo Von Mortenson It is like that for some people. Unfortunately, although many people in some form or another practice something equivalent to Jediism, I have yet to find any other name or group unifying them. Basically anyone who focuses on self improvement, health of spirit, mind, and body, helping other people, and maintaining self control already practices most of Jediism. And this covers most religions really. The paths may be different, but the goals and direction are the same. Sounds like my Gnostic group tbh. Edit: Though I hold to the opinion that the goals and direction may be different. While some religions may be trying for the same goal and direction, some are trying for different goals and directions. Some are headed for the mountain and some are headed for the forest, or the river, or just anyplace else. I can think of three just off the top of my head, one of which is meant as a joke, that doesn't go in the same direction as 'most' religions. Most religions, at least most of the ones I know about, focus on moral improvement and spiritual growth. They encourage maintaining a healthy mind, body, and spirit in one way or another. They usually have their own methods and sometimes unique lessons, but the goal is what I meant by direction. The focus of improvement and growth is what I was referring to. I think by your words you may have seen this quote already, but I thought I'd share it in case anyone else hasn't. It's one of my favorites. "Each and every master, regardless of the era or place, heard the call and attained harmony with heaven and earth. There are many paths to Mount Fuji, but the goal is the same. There are many methods of reaching the top, and they all bring us to the heights. There is no need to battle with each other--we are all brothers and sisters who should walk the Path together, hand in hand. Keep to your Path, and nothing else will matter. When you lose your desire for things that do not matter, you will be free." -Ueshiba There are quite a few that could care less about moral improvement or spiritual growth, some are purely about ego stroking or embracing delusions, though no path is completely immune to these types of interpolations. Edit: Let me give you a simple example about why I believe that there are different paths and different locations other than "the top of the mountain". Let's look at the Norse and Christian afterlifes. While they are both afterlifes they have different descriptions and have different conditions to get to them. If all paths were the same or lead to the same location then why are there different requirements to get to these different locations. I agree with you, as I said I can think of three easily and probably more if I bother to. On the topic of afterlife, I don't believe we can be 100% sure of what to expect on the other side until we get there. However, I do think if those Norse religions focus on self improvement rather than ego-stroking then they walk a similar path. Speaking metaphorically (and hypothetically, using ourselves as example characters), if you stand on one side of the mountain and I stand on the other then regardless of whether we face each other or apart our views will be different. Most likely we took different paths to get there and in doing so we experienced different obstacles, lessons, and wonders. At this point of the journey you and I could look at the same rock, see it differently, and estimate a different amount of strength required for lifting it. Edit: Simplifying it as "self improvement" may be to much. There are other aspects to consider as well. Compassion, kindness, generosity, etc. I would see this as a goal of self improvement, but if the religion encourages self improvement while also stating certain things such as those are not required then it would be left out. 2nd Edit: I consider the metaphorical mountain to represent spiritual enlightenment, by the way.
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:02 am
Lord Kilo Von Mortenson I agree with you, as I said I can think of three easily and probably more if I bother to. On the topic of afterlife, I don't believe we can be 100% sure of what to expect on the other side until we get there. However, I do think if those Norse religions focus on self improvement rather than ego-stroking then they walk a similar path. I was just throwing out an example in general. I guess a more real world example would be a religion that is based upon glorifying a leader or ruler. While it may technically fall under self-improvement, it's not the main point but may be a potential side effect for glorifying this ruler/leader. Quote: Speaking metaphorically (and hypothetically, using ourselves as example characters), if you stand on one side of the mountain and I stand on the other then regardless of whether we face each other or apart our views will be different. Most likely we took different paths to get there and in doing so we experienced different obstacles, lessons, and wonders. At this point of the journey you and I could look at the same rock, see it differently, and estimate a different amount of strength required for lifting it. Not disagreeing with this and there may be some overlap in some paths. I just don't want to assume all paths are going to same place. What helpful to be a good Greek may not be helpful at all to being a good Norse. Quote: Edit: Simplifying it as "self improvement" may be to much. There are other aspects to consider as well. Compassion, kindness, generosity, etc. I would see this as a goal of self improvement, but if the religion encourages self improvement while also stating certain things such as those are not required then it would be left out. Not all religions care about these those, most are rather tribal. In that if it does encourage those traits, it's only for those within the tribe or even just those who are within good standing in the tribe. Quote: 2nd Edit: I consider the metaphorical mountain to represent spiritual enlightenment, by the way. I get that but not everyone is looking for the same experience and not all spiritual experiences are the same.
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