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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:50 am


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Heh... Everyone is a hypocrite.

Hypocrisy as defined by Webster's Online Dictionary:
1: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion

2: an act or instance of hypocrisy

Considering this I think I disagree with your statement, Qyp. Though hypocrites can be found in many religious groups as well as some anti-religious groups, by these definitions your example given to Southern_Cross_Nemesis isn't quite right. Claiming you'll never do something then doing it proves a lie, but if it doesn't involve feigning to be something or believe something it isn't really hypocrisy.

For example when I was younger I swore I would never smoke. Smoking is bad for people's health, it damages the lungs and stenches up a room. However I did some research on smoking pipes as opposed to cigarettes, compared the two methods, found that smoking a pipe is much healthier (still not a good habit) and took to smoking a pipe. Now I smoke a pipe whereas when I was young I said I would never smoke. My beliefs and opinions remain the same: It is unhealthy, it is a bad habit, and I try not to encourage others to smoke. By definition this isn't hypocrisy because my beliefs and opinions remain the same.

A better example of hypocrisy might be to describe the people who threaten anyone they deem a non-Christian with hellfire while committing acts that prove or at least suggest they aren't really Christian. Another, the people who lecture others about not reading the bible when you can ask them a few simple questions to prove they haven't read it themselves. These reflect beliefs that are being expressed in the form of judgement on others while not showing any sign, or perhaps providing evidence against, the reality of the accuser's own supposed faith.

With those examples of hypocrisy and going by the definition provided by Webster, I would say not everyone is a hypocrite. Stretching the definition of hypocrisy to the socially accepted one, simply saying one thing and doing another, I do agree. Parents especially tend to be hypocrites and our government is led entirely by them.

So the founder of that Kony thing being all christian until he runs around the streets naked and drunk would be hypocrisy?

That or insanity. I looked him up since I hadn't heard of him before and he looks like a cult leader type. From what I've seen and heard cult leaders are almost always hypocrites. They preach one thing and do another, usually claiming to believe everything they preach and encouraging others to do the same. The part that is hypocrisy is the fact that they don't believe it themselves. Based on what little I read I would say he is either a hypocrite or at least a little insane.

Edit: Should be clear, do you mean Joseph Kony?

Double Edit: I would like to modify what I said before about agreeing... The socially accepted definition of hypocrisy is telling someone else not to do something, or that they should do something, then not doing it or doing it yourself (depending on what you said, but it's the opposite of what you told the other person). So, being a smoker, if I tell other people they shouldn't smoke because it isn't healthy then smoke my pipe, I am being a hypocrite. However I don't tell people what they should or shouldn't do specifically for that reason, instead I just let people know the risks if they ask.

I don't consider simply saying "I won't [something]" then doing it to be an act of hypocrisy if it doesn't express what other people should/shouldn't do or involves the morals/beliefs of whoever says it.

And one more thing, there are still tribal societies existing in which the people would not have a reason to fake any religious or moral beliefs, wouldn't have a reason to say one thing then do another, and wouldn't have a reason to tell others to do something then not do it themselves. Considering that fact it is illogical to assume everyone is a hypocrite by any possible definition.

This... The founder of this "charity" is a scam artist... claims to be christian.

Also, the name of the Charity has been renamed to "Kony 2012" when it's like 6-7 years old.

Also, wouldn't a hypocrite be one of those people that are like "Do as I say, not as I do"?


Yes, that's the Joseph Kony I looked up. Based on his actions and how they contradict his words I would say he is a hypocrite.

A person who has the "do as I say, not as I do" type attitude CAN be a hypocrite. That isn't definite though. For example a general who tells his soldiers to follow his orders and not his actions then does something he knows how to do even though it may be dangerous, he takes that risk himself so his troops don't have to. Stupid, maybe, as a general he could order someone else to take that risk in this vague and non-specific example, but the point is I wouldn't call that hypocrisy. That is a matter of one man willing to take a risk so others don't have to while also ensuring the job is done right. The military is a whole different world though.

"Do as I say, not as I do" fits the socially accepted definition of hypocrisy, but not necessarily the official definition.

Kony didn't find the charity... It's just named after him...
PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:05 pm


Generally, this is done to prove that the Bible is a fallible book, and therefore bring the existence of God into further question.

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