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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:32 am


Creation stories exist in every culture. It influences philosophies and how we interact with each other and our environment. What's your culture's creation story? Do you believe your culture's creation story to be literal, allegorical, or both? For those that do take their story as only literal, is there any allegorical meanings you can make regarding your take on creation? How does your take on "How it all started" influence your philosophy on life?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:07 am


I do not believe in any creationism myth. I believe in the big bang theory and Darwinism. Science makes more sense.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:11 am


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I do not believe in any creationism myth. I believe in the big bang theory and Darwinism. Science makes more sense.

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For those that do take their story as only literal, is there any allegorical meanings you can make regarding your take on creation? How does your take on "How it all started" influence your philosophy on life?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:40 am


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For those that do take their story as only literal, is there any allegorical meanings you can make regarding your take on creation? How does your take on "How it all started" influence your philosophy on life?

I don't really think my views on creation influence my philosophy on life at all. My philosophy on life tends to be along the lines of live and let live, don't bother me and I won't bother you...unless you're one of the few people I really like talking to, then I'll talk your ear off. ^^; But like I said, I don't really see how that is affected by how I think the world came to be. Unless I am misunderstanding and you meant something else, which is entirely possible given how little sleep I got last night.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:06 am


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For those that do take their story as only literal, is there any allegorical meanings you can make regarding your take on creation? How does your take on "How it all started" influence your philosophy on life?

I don't really think my views on creation influence my philosophy on life at all. My philosophy on life tends to be along the lines of live and let live, don't bother me and I won't bother you...unless you're one of the few people I really like talking to, then I'll talk your ear off. ^^; But like I said, I don't really see how that is affected by how I think the world came to be. Unless I am misunderstanding and you meant something else, which is entirely possible given how little sleep I got last night.
Usually in philosophies, and theologies by extension, how the world/universe was created influences a sense of one's purpose in a given theology. Carl Sagan does this quite well in his "Pale Blue Dot".

He used information based on his culture and the information he had available at his time to beautifully describe how insignificant we are in the grand scheme of things, yet at the same time, explains how important we are important to each other. While not a creation story per se, he uses the information of the what we know now about the universe was created to share a philosophy on life.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:24 am


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Usually in philosophies, and theologies by extension, how the world/universe was created influences a sense of one's purpose in a given theology. Carl Sagan does this quite well in his "Pale Blue Dot".

He used information based on his culture and the information he had available at his time to beautifully describe how insignificant we are in the grand scheme of things, yet at the same time, explains how important we are important to each other. While not a creation story per se, he uses the information of the what we know now about the universe was created to share a philosophy on life.

That sounds interesting. I saved the video and will watch it when I am able to. 3nodding Or when I remember. ^^;

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:58 am


I work with multiple creation stories but this is the one I like and find the most interesting.

The short and sweet version is God's Wisdom (Sophia) tried to contemplate God without her consort and ended up creating a Demiurge (craftsman) and matter. Sophia ashamed, tries to hide it and herself. The Demiurge was ignorant of his origin, made the universe, and declared that no one came before him. He then begins taking advantage of his mother. The other Aeons (aspects of God) hear this and see Sophia in distress. They go, "Oh really?" and shows him someone greater than him. Pissed, him and his buddies make an effigy of this greater being in hope to trap the greater being within it and make this aeon serve them. They were able to make it's body and mind but unable to bring it to life. Sophia, now working with the other aeons, brings him to life and takes the form of a woman called Zoe. The Demiurge not knowing where Zoe came from, tries to rape her but she splits herself into two parts. Her shell, which became Eve, and herself into a tree that would become the tree of the fruit of knowledge of moral good and evil. He couldn't get rid of Eve and he couldn't get rid of the tree, so he told Adam that he made Eve to be his servant, and that if he ate of the tree he would die. Eventually Eve stumbles across this tree and one of the Aeons in the form of a serpent sees her, but Eve, being a shell, didn't recognize him. So she ate of the tree and shared it with Adam and they then knew the difference between good and evil. This act imparted Sophia's seed into them and saw that this "paradise" was nothing but a dung heap and prison. The Demiurge unable to reverse any of this then sets up a curse on them, cursing women into tools to trap any of Sophia's seeds into new people and forcing them to suffer in the material world.

Whether it's literal or not, it conveys a couple of ideas that ancient people noticed:
-The world is not perfect. It decays and degrades over time.
-Creatures in the world have to adapt to its surroundings.
-Truth flows forth taking simpler forms with the lowest form being wisdom/inspiration.
-Inspiration/wisdom without something else helping it leads to the creation of something that is partially true and madness
-Bullshitters will try to assert that this partial truth is the ultimate truth
-We appear to have some sort of crude innate morality about us since we are social creatures
-Our instincts, in general, are hindrances to the goals of truth seeking and helping others.
-The world was not made for us, if anything, it is indifferent to us. If this indifference were personified, it would appear as if nature was against us. Our instincts deceive us, natural disasters destroy indiscriminately, etc...
-That's all I can think of at this point. I'll add more if I can think of more.

Here's an additional interpretation that I wrote on this creation story: Interpretation on the Gnostic Creation story.

On the Origin of the World, where this creation story came from.

Edit: I do believe in evolution and the big bang. If anything those facts add an additional meaning to this mythos.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:59 pm


Alright now to show you the allegorical interpretation of the Fall from the Jewish perspective and the traditional Christian perspective.

From the Jewish perspective, the Fall is a story about moral responsiblity and the consequences of moral choices. The story was written during a time in human history when wrong choices got you killed, or worse. From this perspective YHVH created man with the potential to sin for whatever that reason may be. Most likely because the need to survive requires some level of sinning. It should also be noted that YHVH in this world view is not an all-loving deity. Anyway they were asked not to eat of the tree and they did anyway. Their choices had a consequence to them and like all choices those consequences are going to play out regardless if you want them to play out or not. Those consequences may have long lasting effects that will effect future generations. The perfect modern example would be global warming. Our choices and how we use our resources will affect future generations to come and future generations will have to deal with the consequences of our actions whether they like it or not. You just pick up the pieces and keep on going.

From the traditional Christian perspective, it's an allegory about human narcisism. The name Eve means "life". She represtents the drive to live in a person. The serpent represents the con artist and the promises such a con artist makes. The drive for life is always seeking to better its condition even if claims of betterment are so outrageous or unrealistic, that drive will desire it. Adam meaning "man", is the cultural symbol of reason. When the drive for life overtakes reason or convinces reason that it knows best and buys into narcisistic promices. Even if those narcesistic promises are met there are consequences for those choices since the bullshitter never tells the full story. Original sin is essentially instinctual narcissism from the allegorical view point and as a person grows up and becomes active in one's community, the narcissism element starts to diminish, though doesn't disappear completely. The fall is the consequences of giving into pure instinctual narcessism.

Both of these mythos I find complement each other when taken from an allegorical stand point and describes how other cultures saw the human condition. Now I am more partial to the mythos I shared above, the Sethian mythos, but I can appreciate what this mythos has to share.

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