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 Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:47 pm
Tiina Brown Thank you, i do what i can. The poor Devil ... and even poorer those who have been demonized through the use of "the devil"... To use symbolical speech, God may actually have gotten so fed up by the stench of fear and burning witches, that God decided to remove rhe "embodiment idea" about the Devil. Ok, it stopped the witch-burnings, but eventually, at least "Christians" continued to commit atrocities in the name of God. So what then? I think God decided to go into hiding: Behold Science and Atheism. Yes, to me, it is fully possible that God may have created Atheism, and also made way for science, simply because the churches did not do the job they were intended to do, but instead made bad things, beliving thas's what God wanted. I have a theory, but there is clearly no point in relying on it, because it kind of holds a contradiction concerning religousness. I call it "hardball". It's like getting ball after ball shot at you, until you either shape up, or give up, or perhaps both. .... So, essentially, if that theory is correct, then God may actually do look out for our best interests .... God just has a hell of a way to do so. The problem here, is that Religion is not a protection aganst it, neither is philosphy nor science. And even though i may have provided an explanation, it is possible i cannot provide any answer directly, since the reason for this "hardball" might even be "think for yourself". So, you cannot directly rely on God, but to accept this explanation kind of requires that you do, anyway. ......... About your church, why not outright ask the preacher why it has been changed from "for all" to "for many"? Personally, i perhaps do not talk with God, but i tend to frequently talk to God, .... and i'm nowadays careful to not take any potential answer as serious, ... they just may be, but to be certain ... I may perhaps not be on the best of terms with God, and still, i perhaps am just doing what God wants me to. That is what made it possible for me to make this Topic to begin with. Still, too often, even if this "hardball" theory is correct, i too often, lately, feel that it is too much, too often, too hard, and unneccesary! I would really like to know why. I like that theory. It makes it sound like God is still in control in these days, and I sincerely hope he's got some grip on the reins left or else... I wouldn't even know what. Personally, if I were in God's shoes, I would be pissed as heck at my children. We are all His children, and yet we can't get along for one gosh darned minute without arguing and fighting, and ultimately killing each other? I'd like to think that God takes on the role of the Passive Parent. Maybe he's just letting us go wild in the hopes of one day stopping and thinking about how reckless and foolish we've been. Maybe God doesn't think we deserve any more miracles after all we've done to disappoint him. But my preacher always told me not to ask God for an A on the test, but the perseverance to study for it and do your best. Baby steps, man. Baby steps.
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:05 am
Shouza I like that theory. It makes it sound like God is still in control in these days, and I sincerely hope he's got some grip on the reins left or else... I wouldn't even know what. Personally, if I were in God's shoes, I would be pissed as heck at my children. We are all His children, and yet we can't get along for one gosh darned minute without arguing and fighting, and ultimately killing each other? I'd like to think that God takes on the role of the Passive Parent. Maybe he's just letting us go wild in the hopes of one day stopping and thinking about how reckless and foolish we've been. Maybe God doesn't think we deserve any more miracles after all we've done to disappoint him. But my preacher always told me not to ask God for an A on the test, but the perseverance to study for it and do your best. Baby steps, man. Baby steps. I have actually felt like "or else" for a long time, but along with the Hardball and God created Atheism Theories, this is neccesary, lest i would never have been driven to conclusions like these. But the "Hardball" theory actually requires God to be very much present, while Godmade Atheism requires God to be invisible, seemingly non-present. Hm, i think that humans may actually be guilty of being petty, pityful, egotistic and judgemental. But that is so .... common, that i wonder why humanity were created thus, then? Are we like that on purpose? I think miracles still happen, but since a lot of things nowadays is, or seem, scientifically explainable, there are several things that isn't counted as miracles today, because most is or seem explainable. Or, perhaps that "Miracles" don't exist to begin with: Perhaps even the ressurrection of Lazarus may be explainable some time? Good idea to not ask God for an A, something that irritates me so extremely much, is people asking God for "their" Team, in whatever sport or game, to win. In War, it is even worse. Who is God favorizing? God might even let the one that do NOT ask God for a win, to win. I agree, it is far better to ask for perseverance and to get a bit better, or means to better onself, or something such.
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:37 pm
Tiina Brown chessiejo i believe the world is incomplete and God is still contending with chaos. that is not so reassuring for those who want to believe that God is in charge of all these natural disasters, but it feels more right to me. So, you are more content with that Gid isn't truly omnipotent? Or even worse, that what you call "chaos" is either powerful and/or entertaining enough that God needs to "contend" with it? Not to mention the fact that God was unable to complete the world to begin with .... Or, that God made the world incomplete to begin with, but on purpose! What purpose might God have had to do that? yes, i am more content. God then is not responsible for killing innocent babies, and i can still relate to a loving deity. as for divine power, i say the deity is "finally" powerful, as if saying "in the end" powerful, rather than omnipotent.
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 6:55 am
Tiina Brown First, this is intended as an attept at finding good answers, through discussion. Even though the topic at least seem to assume that the One God exist, and is the foremost of all gods, Atheists and non-abramic Pagans are welcome, too. Why make a topic like this, if i myself is religous? Too many think that religion includes not questioning the authorities in each religion, and i want to prove them wrong, by actually questioning god self. An example, is God truly omnipotent? Well, if God is, then God is as cruel as religous ones often claim the "Devil" to be. Free will? ... Oh, really? But that would also imply that God isn't truly omnipotent, if free will do exist. God choose to not excercise the full omnipotent power? Ok, but that still means that God limits the omnipotence, and therefor is not omnipotent, but by choice. That is just one possible question that may be discussed. The situations that was included when i thought of this questioning, is these: Floods has run over entire churches, a lot of people that even pray to God daily, and there has at the same time even been miracle stories about single survivors in disasters. One common question in moral standpoints is if one would kill one to save ten, or a hundred. God, however, rather seem to be ok with killing a hundred to save one ... So, how is it with God's morality? Sure, humanity is probably not much better ... but is that really a valid excuse? Ok, Let the discussion start, and opinions come. God is truly omnipotent. you think that makes God as cruel as the devil? how so? and how does having free will imply that God is not truly omnipotent? killing a hundred to save one? perhaps this is an example for the survivor saying that God is giving him a second chance to set himself straight before he is killed like the others. showing him what could have been his fate but God chose to keep him alive to show him what God himself is capable of and to gived the survivor a second chance.
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