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 Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:44 pm
Wouldn't that mean that no matter what our beliefs are or what we have done. He's paid the price so we can't go to hell? I've been thinking this over and so many people claim that we have to believe. Others are still in a deep dark age where if you did something absolutely wrong, then you go to hell.
I know someone that keeps getting told she's going to hell, because she did it with someone in a church and i mean WHILE they were in the church. Admittedly, that's pretty bad, though.
Anyways, that got me thinking about how our sins are paid for, but at the same time we still do pay for the sins we make while we are on earth. Like Jesus may have paid off our sins, but we still have to pay our way, too. We can't just rob a store and expect no repercussions.
It's kinda like he made it possible for us to pay our own way in while he paid the most. Does that make sense?
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:52 am
First I'd like to say that whoever is telling that girl she's going to hell is wrong. We are not gods, we do not decide who is and isn't allowed into Heaven, and we do not have the right to place or attempt to place that judgement. God will decide who does and doesn't make it in.
That said, I have been told the only requirement is that we believe in Jesus. Jesus died for our sins so by believing in him our sins are forgiven. There's a story I've been told several times that helps to understand why this is required.
For a moment, try to imagine this hypothetical situation...
"You are the only parent of a young child. The world is being consumed by a deadly disease, but somehow your child is immune to it. Doctors and scientists say that they can create a cure that will save the human race, but to do so they will need every ounce of your child's blood. They say they won't do anything unless you and the child gives them permission.
You consent to it so long as the child is willing and he is. The child gives his life to save humanity. Ten years into the future nobody can remember his name. How does that make you feel?"
That is the case of Jesus as told to me. He gave his life so that we could have eternal life, but not everyone remembers or thanks him for his sacrifice. All God asks is that we remember him and accept him as our savior. That is what being a Christian means to me, believing in Christ.
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:15 am
The way I understand "died for our sins" is in this manner. Sin means "missing the mark" right? Well you are missing the mark if you are aiming at the wrong target. Well the people aimed wrong concerning Christ. They were expecting him to be something that he wasn't and they killed him to appease a "god" that they thought they knew. It is through this though that we see that "Truth" does not remain dead. If it is true, it resurrects and returns.
Anyway. If this doesn't make sense I'll elaborate more later. I need to get some sleep.
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:46 pm
Quote: Wouldn't that mean that no matter what our beliefs are or what we have done. He's paid the price so we can't go to hell?......I know someone that keeps getting told she's going to hell, because she did it with someone in a church and i mean WHILE they were in the church. Admittedly, that's pretty bad, though. Well, it's true and it's not true. If you accept Christ as your Lord and Savior, then no you can't go to hell. But, if you accept Christ as your Lord and Savior and choose to be one of God's children, then your heart is like his heart and your will mirrors his will. So, you wouldn't still want to continue a life of sin or believe anything that isn't in line with the Truth. Jesus died for the sins of all mankind, yes. But that merely opens the door. If you're outside in the darkness that the Bible so often talks about (you know, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth) and Christ opens the door leading away from all that, it doesn't do much good if you stay where you are--you're still in the dark. It's the path of sanctification that completes it--following the narrow path of righteousness. And yeah, all of us will teeter totter (some might fall completely off), but so long as we get back up and find his Spirit with us and within us again you will rest easy (I think there's a psalm on that....but there's SO many) And dittoing rmcdra, whoever told that church girl that should read their Gospels about judging others and how it is by grace alone and faith (which isn't even our own to begin with) that we're saved--so it's still a short walk off a tall cliff.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:36 pm
Some things I need to understand more. I mean, there are people in the world that are out of our reach that have died never hearing Jesus' story. So it seems a little unfair sometimes. And then there's how long ago it was and questions on where this story came from. No actual proof. I mean, I'm going on faith here just because I want to. It's because I want it to be true and that it has been passed around as truth that I believe. That and how touching his story is in general. His nature. His kindness and then the moment he is persecuted, because people didn't know any better. As was said "missing the mark for a god they thought they knew."
But so many things are passed around as truth. I can see where people can be confused as to what to believe and what not to. So everyone who believes in something might be missing the target that they should be aiming for.
I hate to say it but even Fred Phelps might make it to heaven with his faith, though he misses the mark by almost shooting in the opposite direction that he thinks he's aiming for.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:48 pm
Prince Darialan Love Some things I need to understand more. I mean, there are people in the world that are out of our reach that have died never hearing Jesus' story. So it seems a little unfair sometimes. And then there's how long ago it was and questions on where this story came from. No actual proof. I mean, I'm going on faith here just because I want to. It's because I want it to be true and that it has been passed around as truth that I believe. That and how touching his story is in general. His nature. His kindness and then the moment he is persecuted, because people didn't know any better. As was said "missing the mark for a god they thought they knew." But so many things are passed around as truth. I can see where people can be confused as to what to believe and what not to. So everyone who believes in something might be missing the target that they should be aiming for. I hate to say it but even Fred Phelps might make it to heaven with his faith, though he misses the mark by almost shooting in the opposite direction that he thinks he's aiming for. I believe God to be just and merciful so I personally don't worry about those that haven't heard since I trust God to be just and merciful. Ignorance is excuseable, willful ignorance though that's a horse of a different color altogether. Faith comes from the word "Pistis". It implies trust and confidence. If you can have confidence and trust in something then you can have faith in it. Faith is not blind belief nor a passive process, that's a modern addition/invention to the word. Faith builds and grows over time. Since it's based on trust, it has to be placed in something true, else the whole thing falls down like a house of cards. I don't know what his fate will be. That's between him and God. I don't care for the guy personally but that's not my place to say what will happen to him.
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:49 am
The way I see it... The purpose of Jesus' sacrifice was to break down the separation between man and God. Matthew 27:51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. But it's kind of a "the door is open, but now you have to walk through it" thing. One realizes that though they have been corrupted, still the possibility exists to draw closer to God, and that should be the purpose of one's life. God has reached out a hand, but you have to reach out too. Ultimately, you will never be perfect in your deeds, but the important thing is that you are reaching. I find everything easier to understand when looked at as comparable to a human relationship. Imagine you had done something so horrible to hurt your spouse that the relationship was basically shattered, but instead of leaving you forever, they decide to take the first step toward repairing that relationship. The relationship is "saved" simply by their decision to forgive you, but you wouldn't say "oh, cool, it's all good then" (I hope!). You would be grateful for their forgiveness and love, but you would also do everything you could on your end to make the relationship good again-- improving yourself, pleasing them, and expressing your love and thankfulness in every way possible.
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