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 Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:49 pm
Greetings all!
This curiosity was actually sparked after watching a documentary on the Rites of Passages of different cultures around the world. That got me thinking of whether or not any one here had any information regarding potential rites of passages surrounding the Nords? Haven't found much on my end, and I always suppose they didn't have any (or they did and they've unfortunately been lost). Any information would be very helpful.
Thanks in advance!
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:01 pm
I suspect Uruz is related to a coming-of-age rite somehow. I've read about some modern ideas but I can't remember whether it was in Our Troth or somewhere else, and I'm not sure whether they're reconstructed or basically new ideas. Weddings and births seem to be more well-documented.
Have you looked through VAL?
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:14 pm
If you read the sagas, it really seems that someone became an adult once they started acting like one. A boy decides he want to take charge of his own life and does so. He either joins up with a ship, or acquires some land (or occasionally takes over the family household) and sets about making a name for himself and impressing people. Not a whole lot about women though, and remember the sagas were written several centuries after the folks writing them had become Christian, so it's rather hard to say.
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:19 pm
Sanguina Cruenta I suspect Uruz is related to a coming-of-age rite somehow. I've read about some modern ideas but I can't remember whether it was in Our Troth or somewhere else, and I'm not sure whether they're reconstructed or basically new ideas. Weddings and births seem to be more well-documented. Have you looked through VAL?
Thanks for the quick reply, San. heart
As for VAL, while I did not take a studious glance through all of her articles, I do recall seeing things on weddings and birth (As you said, they're certainly well-documented subjects.) and noticed nothing concerning coming-of-age rites. Perhaps they're mentioned within an article I have not read in a while, though. Or maybe birth and weddings were more important than when a boy/girl became a man/woman. Perhaps getting married was that transition. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:23 pm
That's an important point, Randi. ^_^
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:26 pm
CalledTheRaven If you read the sagas, it really seems that someone became an adult once they started acting like one. A boy decides he want to take charge of his own life and does so. He either joins up with a ship, or acquires some land (or occasionally takes over the family household) and sets about making a name for himself and impressing people. Not a whole lot about women though, and remember the sagas were written several centuries after the folks writing them had become Christian, so it's rather hard to say.
I did remember the joining a ship and taking over the family and definitely figured those as a possibility for men. I am (being female myself) curious about such things concerning women but women (as with most historical writings) aren't studied as much as the men. As I mentioned earlier, I am beginning to suppose that marriage/child birth would be a young lady's coming-of-age.
Thanks for the reply, Raven. Much appreciated. biggrin
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:35 pm
Sanguina Cruenta I suspect Uruz is related to a coming-of-age rite somehow. I've read about some modern ideas but I can't remember whether it was in Our Troth or somewhere else, and I'm not sure whether they're reconstructed or basically new ideas. Weddings and births seem to be more well-documented. Have you looked through VAL? In Our Troth Vol 2. there's a section of man-making and woman-making. I've only skimmed through woman-making so far, I think it was a mix of new ideas and reconstruction.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:57 am
You know, I really need to pick up Our Troth.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:25 pm
So I finally picked up Our troth and I read through the Man-Making/Woman-Making sections. I kind of like parts of it gut disagree with a few key things. First, puberty is no less gradual, awkward, or difficult to deal with for a girl then it is for a guy. Just because we have a clear marker of it's starting point, it doesn't mean it's all over and done with with that. For this, and several other personal reasons, I disagree with the division of the rites of passage. Having a ritual bath and a day of fiber arts and food prep does not feel like a rite of passage to me. I'd much prefer to try and integrate elements of both together. Or at least give the potential adults the choice which one to participate in, or even do both. I Know I would have been itching to run around in the woods with the guys if I was instead forced into the woman-making described.
Also, onset of puberty or not, a lot of girls start menstruating around 10 or so and while it may be worth noting as a step toward adulthood, I don't feel comfortable proclaiming that such pre-teen girls are now WOMEN. It feels both irresponsible and a little icky in a modern world.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:38 pm
I actually felt like the rites of passage were really sexist. The girls' one was so boring! I would 100% have insisted on doing the boys' one instead.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:37 pm
Sanguina Cruenta I actually felt like the rites of passage were really sexist. The girls' one was so boring! I would 100% have insisted on doing the boys' one instead. I know right? And I still disagree with the reasoning behind the difference in pacing/excitement of the two. It's total BS.
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:57 am
Coming back to this topic (again) I was thinking on rites of passage that aren't necessarily about adulthood. Some rites of passage could be for cultic or initiatory purposes. With that in mind, I've been trying to come up with something to do to mark/acknowledge what feels like a big step in my practice. I would really like some sort of rite of passage/ordeal to mark it but I'm not sure what to do and such things can be difficult for a solitary practice.
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:43 am
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