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 Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:10 am
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:23 am
not sure i understand?? explain xD?
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:51 am
That's pretty funny. Just goes to show how things change over time.
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:17 pm
Mystic_Victoria not sure i understand?? explain xD? Many of the early Greek and Roman pagans did not like Christianity for the simple fact that Christianity was progressive in that it treated women as if they were people. In Greek and Roman cultures, women were regarded just a little better than cattle. The book link I posted goes into the complaints these pagans had against Christians and since it's peered reviewed, it puts a damper on the comments I hear from New Agers about how "progressive" and "pro-women" the ancient pagans supposedly were.
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:18 pm
Women were essential to the development and spread of Christianity. The religion appealed to those who were the downtrodden and despised of society unjustly. If you examine Paul's letters, most of the people addressed (in the letters he actually wrote) are women. The Greek and Roman pagans (both men and women) found the religion to be so evil since the religion was being spread by women and that the religion regarded women as at least spiritually equal to men. For more about the role of women in early Christianity and how important women were in the spread of the religion, you might want to check out Karen King's Women in Ancient Christianity or some of her other works. Much of the way women are treated in Christianity now is contrary to how women were regarded in the religion's inception.
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:36 pm
rmcdra Mystic_Victoria not sure i understand?? explain xD? Many of the early Greek and Roman pagans did not like Christianity for the simple fact that Christianity was progressive in that it treated women as if they were people. In Greek and Roman cultures, women were regarded just a little better than cattle. The book link I posted goes into the complaints these pagans had against Christians and since it's peered reviewed, it puts a damper on the comments I hear from New Agers about how "progressive" and "pro-women" the ancient pagans supposedly were. I have no idea what idea that came from,but women were respected back in ancient times also o.o,to look down on the female side is also to look down on a Goddess,which was some bad s**t xD. now there was some sexist,its in history,look at the jews islams even alot of christians,its more of a instinct to me. Pagans tend to show equal more than christians do by christians i mean dogma believers. Now this is just my opinon from experinece ^^ and if i can remember jews thought the same as the women xD,they were ment for mating and so on,from what i can remember,xD ^^
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:09 am
Mystic_Victoria I have no idea what idea that came from,but women were respected back in ancient times also o.o,to look down on the female side is also to look down on a Goddess,which was some bad s**t xD. now there was some sexist,its in history,look at the jews islams even alot of christians,its more of a instinct to me. Pagans tend to show equal more than christians do by christians i mean dogma believers. Now this is just my opinon from experinece ^^ and if i can remember jews thought the same as the women xD,they were ment for mating and so on,from what i can remember,xD ^^ I have had the exact opposite experience. Most non-Christians seem to look down on females more than Christians do. A good example is simply telling the husband to go get milk. With non-Christians I see more "You go get the milk, I want to sit and watch football" or some similar remark all meaning no. With Christians I see more of either "I will later, we don't need it right now" or a simple "Yes dear." That experience is based on what I have seen in the Northwest and Southeast parts of America. Here in central America I see a bit more balance. There's not exactly a split between Christians and non-Christians or males and females. That conversation is more likely to go either way depending on who is doing what. If the woman is just sitting on the couch, the guy is likely to explain that he has work to do around the house so she should get it. If it's the other way around, the guy is going to go get the milk. Injuries are also taken into consideration. The worst experience I have witnessed yet was a non-Christian guy forcing his wife, who had a broken ankle, to do all the work. Shopping (yes, she drove on pain killers so they could eat), cleaning, cooking, etc. She should have been staying off that foot. One important thing to remember is that there are Christians and then there are "Christians." The difference being there are the ones who actually believe and follow what the bible says and the "Christians" being the ones who claim to be Christians because they don't want to get the Hell speech, don't want people thinking they aren't "cool," or otherwise want to follow a trend or at least have people thinking they follow the trend. Usually those "Christians" are self-serving hypocrites who wouldn't know who Jesus was if he turned water into wine right in front of them.
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:25 am
Mystic_Victoria rmcdra Mystic_Victoria not sure i understand?? explain xD? Many of the early Greek and Roman pagans did not like Christianity for the simple fact that Christianity was progressive in that it treated women as if they were people. In Greek and Roman cultures, women were regarded just a little better than cattle. The book link I posted goes into the complaints these pagans had against Christians and since it's peered reviewed, it puts a damper on the comments I hear from New Agers about how "progressive" and "pro-women" the ancient pagans supposedly were. I have no idea what idea that came from,but women were respected back in ancient times also o.o,to look down on the female side is also to look down on a Goddess,which was some bad s**t xD. now there was some sexist,its in history,look at the jews islams even alot of christians,its more of a instinct to me. Pagans tend to show equal more than christians do by christians i mean dogma believers. Now this is just my opinon from experinece ^^ and if i can remember jews thought the same as the women xD,they were ment for mating and so on,from what i can remember,xD ^^ I'm talking about Greek and Roman culture. Women were not even considered people in those cultures. The only exception was the Vestal Virgins but even then, they were an exception to the cultural standard. Women were regarded a little better than cattle. If I remember some of my Greek philosophy women were considered incomplete males and basically incubators at best for making new children since they believed that sperm contained little homunculus all ready to go. The point is that women were responsible for the growth of Christianity. Women were attracted to this new religion because it granted them rights and respect that was unheard of at the time. The ancient Greek and Roman pagans reacted on par with how these conservative Evangelicals reacted today, with slander about how "evil" this was that these Chrestians would even dare consider women people and how it would bring the downfall of society and the wrath of the gods upon them. This is why I say there has been a role reversal it seems like a flip flop in attitudes within Christianity where before women were regarded as people and were the movers and shakers of the religion to now where you hear from conservatives, that "women should be subservient to men cause it's Gawd's will". I find this role reversal strange and wrong.
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:38 pm
rmcdra Mystic_Victoria rmcdra Mystic_Victoria not sure i understand?? explain xD? Many of the early Greek and Roman pagans did not like Christianity for the simple fact that Christianity was progressive in that it treated women as if they were people. In Greek and Roman cultures, women were regarded just a little better than cattle. The book link I posted goes into the complaints these pagans had against Christians and since it's peered reviewed, it puts a damper on the comments I hear from New Agers about how "progressive" and "pro-women" the ancient pagans supposedly were. I have no idea what idea that came from,but women were respected back in ancient times also o.o,to look down on the female side is also to look down on a Goddess,which was some bad s**t xD. now there was some sexist,its in history,look at the jews islams even alot of christians,its more of a instinct to me. Pagans tend to show equal more than christians do by christians i mean dogma believers. Now this is just my opinon from experinece ^^ and if i can remember jews thought the same as the women xD,they were ment for mating and so on,from what i can remember,xD ^^ I'm talking about Greek and Roman culture. Women were not even considered people in those cultures. The only exception was the Vestal Virgins but even then, they were an exception to the cultural standard. Women were regarded a little better than cattle. If I remember some of my Greek philosophy women were considered incomplete males and basically incubators at best for making new children since they believed that sperm contained little homunculus all ready to go. The point is that women were responsible for the growth of Christianity. Women were attracted to this new religion because it granted them rights and respect that was unheard of at the time. The ancient Greek and Roman pagans reacted on par with how these conservative Evangelicals reacted today, with slander about how "evil" this was that these Chrestians would even dare consider women people and how it would bring the downfall of society and the wrath of the gods upon them. This is why I say there has been a role reversal it seems like a flip flop in attitudes within Christianity where before women were regarded as people and were the movers and shakers of the religion to now where you hear from conservatives, that "women should be subservient to men cause it's Gawd's will". I find this role reversal strange and wrong. im sorry but i can't agree on the Greek one,yes the romans i agree on,but Women in Greece depending on the area,were just a respected as men. but in anytime,i don't care what anyone says,men tend to wanna be higher,Christians/jews/islams/pagans/and so on,it tends to come on more that way lol. but all in all,this is just my opinon,and things i've learned,and seen. but this world isn't as small as it seems,^^ its like a Yin yang.
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:40 pm
Lord Kilo Von Mortenson Mystic_Victoria I have no idea what idea that came from,but women were respected back in ancient times also o.o,to look down on the female side is also to look down on a Goddess,which was some bad s**t xD. now there was some sexist,its in history,look at the jews islams even alot of christians,its more of a instinct to me. Pagans tend to show equal more than christians do by christians i mean dogma believers. Now this is just my opinon from experinece ^^ and if i can remember jews thought the same as the women xD,they were ment for mating and so on,from what i can remember,xD ^^ I have had the exact opposite experience. Most non-Christians seem to look down on females more than Christians do. A good example is simply telling the husband to go get milk. With non-Christians I see more "You go get the milk, I want to sit and watch football" or some similar remark all meaning no. With Christians I see more of either "I will later, we don't need it right now" or a simple "Yes dear." That experience is based on what I have seen in the Northwest and Southeast parts of America. Here in central America I see a bit more balance. There's not exactly a split between Christians and non-Christians or males and females. That conversation is more likely to go either way depending on who is doing what. If the woman is just sitting on the couch, the guy is likely to explain that he has work to do around the house so she should get it. If it's the other way around, the guy is going to go get the milk. Injuries are also taken into consideration. The worst experience I have witnessed yet was a non-Christian guy forcing his wife, who had a broken ankle, to do all the work. Shopping (yes, she drove on pain killers so they could eat), cleaning, cooking, etc. She should have been staying off that foot. One important thing to remember is that there are Christians and then there are "Christians." The difference being there are the ones who actually believe and follow what the bible says and the "Christians" being the ones who claim to be Christians because they don't want to get the Hell speech, don't want people thinking they aren't "cool," or otherwise want to follow a trend or at least have people thinking they follow the trend. Usually those "Christians" are self-serving hypocrites who wouldn't know who Jesus was if he turned water into wine right in front of them. thats sad x.x. and yet its not just pagans,christians do it,as i said for rmcdra but the men who do that,i tend to know as douche bags lol
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:21 pm
Mystic_Victoria im sorry but i can't agree on the Greek one,yes the romans i agree on,but Women in Greece depending on the area,were just a respected as men. Concerning particular women or in particular areas maybe but in general, I am going to have to disagree here based on what I remember from my history classes. Women in Ancient Greece is there a problem with this site? If I am wrong I would like to be corrected. Quote: but in anytime,i don't care what anyone says,men tend to wanna be higher,Christians/jews/islams/pagans/and so on,it tends to come on more that way lol. but all in all,this is just my opinon,and things i've learned,and seen. but this world isn't as small as it seems,^^ its like a Yin yang. yeah
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