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 Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:02 am
I was perusing the net and found this really fascinating, wonderful article by a Randall Sapphire, who is vehemently agains "secret practices" and "oathbound" traditions of Wicca. S/he makes several very good points and presents the arguments that wicca!Snobs make, then proceeds to explain the problems. It's not long and it's a REALLY interesting read! http://www.ecauldron.net/secretwicca.phpBest quote: "My advice to individuals is simple: avoid oathbound groups." Enjoy! I'd love to hear your thoughts.
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:34 am
I completely agree with the author of the article, I can understand certain things being kept secret, but not everything needs to be, hell, even some of the Masons have opened some of their stuff to the public.
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:52 pm
Nyx Reborn I completely agree with the author of the article, I can understand certain things being kept secret, but not everything needs to be, hell, even some of the Masons have opened some of their stuff to the public. I totally agree. All the secrecy snacks of cultishness. :/
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:07 pm
I've been reading this from the perspective of trying to poke holes in it (as I do most things) and the big thing I see is that he doesn't give any specific examples of groups or practices. He uses "weasel words" such as "many groups" and "some practices."
This doesn't really bother me but I know the people that this kind of piece is directed to will be quick to catch on to such a thing. Regardless, brb while I go post this in the SNF.
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:33 pm
Obscurus I've been reading this from the perspective of trying to poke holes in it (as I do most things) and the big thing I see is that he doesn't give any specific examples of groups or practices. He uses "weasel words" such as "many groups" and "some practices." This doesn't really bother me but I know the people that this kind of piece is directed to will be quick to catch on to such a thing. Regardless, brb while I go post this in the SNF. Oh dear, are you really? Good luck to you O_O
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:39 pm
Nerdanel_of_the_Noldor Obscurus I've been reading this from the perspective of trying to poke holes in it (as I do most things) and the big thing I see is that he doesn't give any specific examples of groups or practices. He uses "weasel words" such as "many groups" and "some practices." This doesn't really bother me but I know the people that this kind of piece is directed to will be quick to catch on to such a thing. Regardless, brb while I go post this in the SNF. Oh dear, are you really? Good luck to you O_O The thread's actually going pretty well. I can link you if you'd like.
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:06 pm
Obscurus Nerdanel_of_the_Noldor Obscurus I've been reading this from the perspective of trying to poke holes in it (as I do most things) and the big thing I see is that he doesn't give any specific examples of groups or practices. He uses "weasel words" such as "many groups" and "some practices." This doesn't really bother me but I know the people that this kind of piece is directed to will be quick to catch on to such a thing. Regardless, brb while I go post this in the SNF. Oh dear, are you really? Good luck to you O_O The thread's actually going pretty well. I can link you f you'd like. I've actually found it myself. I'm perusing it at the moment, I'll reply later on. The level of civility in it is almost shocking. ^^ I'm in a traditions that has no real secrets, jut mysteries of the past that worshipers have to unravel for themselves. I personally don't mind oath bound traditions so terribly much, but the attitude that comes along with them really turns me off. It's okay to have secrets in your tradition, but it's NOT okay to lord them above everyone else. I much prefer open, non-hierarchical worship. It's a lot more comfortable. Plus, political power-plays within religion disgusts me. Keeping secrets, in the end, is something I think is self-defeating. If you want your religion--especially a small religion--to survive long enough to be in history books, tell people about it! It demystifies the whole thing, and in the end will only make people more willing to accept it.
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:10 pm
Nerdanel_of_the_Noldor Obscurus Nerdanel_of_the_Noldor Obscurus I've been reading this from the perspective of trying to poke holes in it (as I do most things) and the big thing I see is that he doesn't give any specific examples of groups or practices. He uses "weasel words" such as "many groups" and "some practices." This doesn't really bother me but I know the people that this kind of piece is directed to will be quick to catch on to such a thing. Regardless, brb while I go post this in the SNF. Oh dear, are you really? Good luck to you O_O The thread's actually going pretty well. I can link you f you'd like. I've actually found it myself. I'm perusing it at the moment, I'll reply later on. The level of civility in it is almost shocking. ^^ I'm in a traditions that has no real secrets, jut mysteries of the past that worshipers have to unravel for themselves. I personally don't mind oath bound traditions so terribly much, but the attitude that comes along with them really turns me off. It's okay to have secrets in your tradition, but it's NOT okay to lord them above everyone else. I much prefer open, non-hierarchical worship. It's a lot more comfortable. Plus, political power-plays within religion disgusts me. Keeping secrets, in the end, is something I think is self-defeating. If you want your religion--especially a small religion--to survive long enough to be in history books, tell people about it! It demystifies the whole thing, and in the end will only make people more willing to accept it. I think the usefulness of secrecy all depends on what your particular goals are for a tradition or organization. If you don't want everyone to know about it then secrecy seems like a good idea. Flaunting that there is oathbound material defeats that reason right there. People are inherently distrustful of organizations that keep secrets though.
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:30 pm
That is true, many still claim that the Masons are trying to rule the world, now, because I myself am not one, I do not know what their intentions are, but like I said before, they are opening up a bit about some of their secrets, I remember watching a first level initiation.
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