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tina138

PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:23 pm


neutral I get most of my current events from the people I work with but I was wanting to discuss and get more info on this.

If the president and (I call them this because I can't...cabinet!) his cabinet can't find a viable solution to the economic problem that the government might just dissipate altogether leave the president the only one to lead. Which means a possible monarchy and leaving him in charge to do what ever. Which in turn might lead to riots and other unlawful acts.

Please inform me and possibly discuss how this might be right or wrong.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:24 pm


My guess would be a dictatorship. And that is something this country will not stand for. I forsee another civil war breaking out. I am ready

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:32 pm


My only suggestion to something like that happening is that, if you have good gun laws in your respective states, start arming up, because it'll be what I call 's**t hitting the fan.' I've got enough ordinance to hold me over for a little while.

Either way, I'm convinced that the idea is a scare tactic, myself. I don't believe it's probable at all.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:30 am


I think it's a crock of crap. The idea is entirely a manipulation technique.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:24 am


tina138
neutral I get most of my current events from the people I work with but I was wanting to discuss and get more info on this.

If the president and (I call them this because I can't...cabinet!) his cabinet can't find a viable solution to the economic problem that the government might just dissipate altogether leave the president the only one to lead. Which means a possible monarchy and leaving him in charge to do what ever. Which in turn might lead to riots and other unlawful acts.

Please inform me and possibly discuss how this might be right or wrong.


Oh dear...Tina, the people you work with either watch too much Comedy Central news or are complete dunderheads (no offence, if you like them but this is my humble opinion).
First and foremost, the President's cabinet is hand-picked by him and although they might not agree with him on all points, they function as the Presidents closest circle and the notion of them abandoning him is just ludicrious. And if the does happen, all that is needed is a replacement cabinet, perferably one that is more loyal (this is all hypothetical, mind you.)
Furthermore, as much as people scream that the economy is collapsing and the end is near, this is far from true. People need to understand that these things take time and multiple terms to resolve. Moreover, Re-election is coming in 2012 and people should take their time and do research before voting instead of bitching and moaning about how no one will solve their problems. US government representatives are only there because they were voted for.

Anyway, I hope this helps and I didn't offend.

EDIT: In summation, what HERO said.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:21 pm


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tina138
neutral I get most of my current events from the people I work with but I was wanting to discuss and get more info on this.

If the president and (I call them this because I can't...cabinet!) his cabinet can't find a viable solution to the economic problem that the government might just dissipate altogether leave the president the only one to lead. Which means a possible monarchy and leaving him in charge to do what ever. Which in turn might lead to riots and other unlawful acts.

Please inform me and possibly discuss how this might be right or wrong.


Oh dear...Tina, the people you work with either watch too much Comedy Central news or are complete dunderheads (no offence, if you like them but this is my humble opinion).
First and foremost, the President's cabinet is hand-picked by him and although they might not agree with him on all points, they function as the Presidents closest circle and the notion of them abandoning him is just ludicrious. And if the does happen, all that is needed is a replacement cabinet, perferably one that is more loyal (this is all hypothetical, mind you.)
Furthermore, as much as people scream that the economy is collapsing and the end is near, this is far from true. People need to understand that these things take time and multiple terms to resolve. Moreover, Re-election is coming in 2012 and people should take their time and do research before voting instead of bitching and moaning about how no one will solve their problems. US government representatives are only there because they were voted for.

Anyway, I hope this helps and I didn't offend.

EDIT: In summation, what HERO said.


PFFT! rofl yer both seriously wrong!

okies, here's what's up. there was absolutely no logic behind that scenario of a possble dictatorship/monarchy of the president. there's no way in hell that would happen. even if the congress fll apart, the ENTIRE government would fall with it.

but Comedy Central and their news-spoofing comedic media shows (Daily SHow and Colbert Report) are making fun of and laughing at the idea of the president beinga dictator. her friends are watching too much FOX NEWS, and NPR, and listening to too much glenn beck, michelle bachmann, and rush limbaugh. reading too much right wing litturature, buying into too much right-wing propaganda and conspiracy theory.

but what IS happening, is that the economy WILL NOT RECOVER! the U.S. is falling apart, and is in fact, doomed. so gather your forces, get prepared, and be ready to do what you gotta do to survive the Apocalypse, because The s**t Has Just Hit The Fan!

that weekend in the U.K. that just recently happened? yeh, it's just a matter of time before that starts happening in america. -.-

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:43 am


How did people not see this coming? I admit it seems to have been a pretty steep step in comparison to what I had imagined, but the USA has had an extremely imperialistic mindset for centuries. It all started with the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom and the Spanish American War following the American Civil War. The USA gained dominance over the Pacific with its only real rival being Japan. When the two empires clashed in WW2 and the USA obtained total military dominance in the Pacific as well as powerful allies across the Atlantic, the USA was the new "Empire on which the sun never sets" (for those who don't know what I'm referring to, look up the British Empire). It was only a matter of time before congress was dissolved an a "constitutional despotism" would ensue (not that it wasn't already the case with the media's control over what information does and does not get out affecting who does and does not get into office).

As for the discussion, it is right because the US is finally coming clean about their blatant imperialism and control over the entire country. It is wrong for obvious reasons but seeing as the USA's practice of imperialism has been going on for centuries without interruption, it won't make much of a difference whether it does or does not happen. The result is the same.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:52 pm


In honesty I do not forsee a dictatorship happening in the USA due to the fact that we still have the Congress which in fact has more power than the president. If you look at it, the President, with his small amount of power, is nothing but a figure head while the Congress is where a majority of the decisions and laws come from. This is why the Congress was formed to prevent dictatorships from sprouting.

As far as the USA economy goes, I agree with Chieftain Twilight. The USA economy is collapsing and will not recover as there are too many greedy people living within the states. No business owner wants to give up the huge mansion and 10 cars they own, while no consumer wants to pay more than they can afford on food. Even if more jobs are created, if nothing is done about the continuously rising cost of living and the continuously dwindling natural resources, then the economy will never improve and we are looking at the second Great Depression.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:08 pm


Historically speaking, every time that America has been in a war, it has been in debt. No exceptions. Of course the economy is going to be sucky, a good portion of the workforce is in the military, and as technology progresses forward there will be a gap in what is considered the wealthy class. It will take time, but the economy will recover, if congress stops messing with taxes and bailouts.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:12 pm


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In honesty I do not forsee a dictatorship happening in the USA due to the fact that we still have the Congress which in fact has more power than the president. If you look at it, the President, with his small amount of power, is nothing but a figure head while the Congress is where a majority of the decisions and laws come from. This is why the Congress was formed to prevent dictatorships from sprouting.

As far as the USA economy goes, I agree with Chieftain Twilight. The USA economy is collapsing and will not recover as there are too many greedy people living within the states. No business owner wants to give up the huge mansion and 10 cars they own, while no consumer wants to pay more than they can afford on food. Even if more jobs are created, if nothing is done about the continuously rising cost of living and the continuously dwindling natural resources, then the economy will never improve and we are looking at the second Great Depression.
The American economy is not collapsing. Our GDP is still triple that of China's. The only issue is overpopulation due to a massive influx of immigrants both legal and illegal. While things would even out if we were to convert to a communist philosophy and ration our resources accordingly, it won't happen. The US has spent decades FIGHTING communism. There's no way they're going to go commie until a full scale revolution takes place. Also natural resources aren't really dwindling. We're still the largest reserves of coal by far in the whole world and the 3rd largest exporter of petroleum in the world. A more likely solution would be a one child policy similar to that of China's. It would take a long time to take effect, but when it does, the economy will definitely stabilize as the population shrinks.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:16 am


I'd be fine with it if the president resigned as well and we just switched to anarchy already; haven't we reached the point where we as citizens can run things without all this pointless Bureaucracy?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:57 am


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I'd be fine with it if the president resigned as well and we just switched to anarchy already; haven't we reached the point where we as citizens can run things without all this pointless Bureaucracy?
There's really one big problem with anarchy: It is always the precursor to despotisms and war. On paper, it sounds more than ideal, but in practice it leads to death and oppression. If you would like a taste of a pseudo-anarchy, observe underground criminal networks. Whether it be international terrorists such as Al-Qaeda, international violence syndicates such as the Chinese Triad, or international smugglers and distributors of illegal goods such as the Colombian Cartel, all play by their own rules and are practically immune from the law in its traditional sense. Many hold an iron grip over the areas they reside and oppress the people by sheer force of power. They will also frequently war with each other (primarily over territory and business) wherever they see fit.

Just like how American capitalism relies on the free market and the assumption of sufficient competition in all industries, how socialism relies on the desire of all people to work and earn minimum wages, and how despotism relies on the sound judgment of the entity in charge, anarchy relies on the morals and righteousness of the general public. Only once you can tell me that every person in the world has a perfectly sound sense of what is right and what is wrong will anarchy work. Until then, it is bound, just like the systems before it (or rather after it since anarchy was likely the first form of government ever), it will be bound to fail.

A lot of people in the US seem to think that the source of all of our problems is the government. I would personally disagree. The US as we know it today is more an expansionist empire than a democratic republic. Being as such, the government would have had no choice but to adopt despotic and oligarchic ideals in order to maintain order in such a vast and expansive empire. This has happened many times throughout history to empires all over the world from Britain to France to Rome to Japan to the Qin Dynasty. All eventually fell once they got too big.

Another huge issues we're facing, not only nationally, but internationally is overpopulation. There are just way too many people in the world and not enough resources to sustain them. Today, the truly important jobs are those in the way of technology and research in the hopes that one day we can solve all the problems overpopulation creates (or, speaking from a conspiracists point of view, to eliminate overpopulation in a way that the public never finds out about).

Our problems, as a people, are never simple. One action will never solve everything. The problems we face today will be solved eventually. There is no doubt about that. The only question is what means we will take to reach that state. I fear the means we will use to get there will be a lot darker than any of us have seen in our current lifetimes.


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