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 Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:49 am
I would just like to raise the issue of how things are handled in this guild. Firstly, yeah it was hell-long to read, I've examined and been cross referencing with several people, the Zalian 'issue'. I have come to the conclusion that there has indeed been godmodding on Zalian's part. Now, what actually surprises me - yes I was told through skype when I got on and actually had to source the "Harrassment From Zalian" thread out - is that his Captain, that would be me, was failed to be contacted through Gaia. I knew on allowing Zalian into my squad that there would be issues. Like with the rest of my squad members I actively read through his spars. Now, I would like to take this moment to point out that I was away for the duration of this one. I feel that, as his Captain that the responsibility lies with me to talk with my soldier about his actions, but it is not entirely his fault either. I know that this matter has been raised in skype about Saint Uchiha's endurance and this - I believe is what it is in reference to - Quote: Endurance- Val'gun is able to fight for long periods of time when it comes to a one on one battle but if it's more than one person than he can only last up to 3 days with out showing signs of being tired. Speaking of, since when can an Arrancar officer have durability so great that; Quote: there are times he just stands there and takes a hit from an opponent and acts as if nothing has occurred Off topic but there are a few other things in that profile that are actually more Captain standard rather than just officer. Moving on, I do not believe that the fault lies entirely with Zalian and would like to have been consulted. My soldier did god mod but, as it has been pointed out many times Val'gun was using techniques that were by far too strong for his level. There were faults from both parties and I think that when situations like these arise that it is only fair that their respective Captains are informed. By that I mean that the whole story should be relayed to the Captains of those in question through pm before this whole putting it up in the U/H. I know that it was requested that it be done by Redd and I agree that it needed to be up because if not then I would not have known as much about it since I tend not to be in the chatroom much to avoid situations such as these. I do not like back-biting and, as such, do not like to take part in it. There is absolutely no need for such a thing as this, which is pretty simple to rectify, to cause health issues for anyone. I appreciate the stress that it is placing on some but I would like to state that it is not worth it. Separating Gaia from real life is necessary, what happens in role play and in guilds is fiction and none of this should reflect on anyone's lives. Another thing that I have noticed is the quoting. For about the last month, maybe more, if you quote a person you'll alert them to where they're being spoken about. Now, understandably, Zalian is hurt and feels that it is a blow to his honour that he has been quoted several times in a thread titled "Harrassment From Zalian". I in no way condone godmodding or any of the rping charges that have been brought against him and I am not defending him because he is my soldier, and after I speak with him, he shall be punished as I see fit. I do not take sides in situations such as these but speak my mind about them after analysing them thoroughly. After reading through the pms he clearly states why he does not believe what he did to be wrong, I have concluded that with the posts he made, he is under the impression that he believes them to be fair. He makes a point of explaining in great detail his views on the matter. Yes, it is one that needed to be discussed further but not in a way that it gangs people to sides. How can a council be fair if there are hints of bias within or if people try to play others off against one another? Those are the signs of a corrupt council. Now right here, right now, I am going to say this. If you come in here are expect to nit pick my words, if you try to get a fight out of me, if you fail to read this post to it's entirety and, yet, expect to have your voice heard, then think twice about posting. If you do not have an opinion, if you feel like posting to say that you do not care or are not in the mood, then don't bother posting. Post if you're going to be up for a civil chat and wish to discuss anything that I have said in this post. This is a discussion that is totally free for anyone in the council to talk with one another rather than taking off one another's words. If you do not feel like discussing this freely or if you would like to let off some steam at me then please take it to pm. I shall also be discussing the subject with my soldier and listening to what he has to say in the coming days because I am not willing to let things just 'drop'. This is an issue that cannot be just 'dropped' it needs to be resolved. One final note; I know that has been draughted in and want to hear his views on the situation which is why I have quoted him here. Thanking you for your co-operation, Captain of Squad 6 - Hisoka Tsen
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:27 am
0.0 Hisoka.....im impressed to tell you the very least, this is amazing and very.....poetic one could say but everything kinda stated here you pretty have my support 100% ^^
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:36 am
Hisoka you know I for one believe it should be you to handle the situation because I spoke with you personally about you making the stand. I like you am a bit annoyed about this issue.
Personally everyone knows that I don't care if he fails on his own and gets kicked out, or does good in stays in, it is a win for me either way.
But the more I get dragged into things, such as making a detailed and witness report about Zalian god modding, it is becoming more clear to me that everyone is doing a bit of unjust harassment on him, somewhat like the "minor" case of harassment he preformed on Kage.
Now in Skype I had asked about SAINT with his nearly unlimited amount of bala shots and cero shots, which seemed to be a bit over captain level amount of attacks, so it kind of threw me off there and made me ask in Skype about his god modding in that section only for Kage and Ace to bring it up as to him breaking no real rules for it is set in his profile.
So this kind of bring ups why I am starting a new thread for judges, since my Vice Captain's feel that they are not really "able" to assess Arrancar style characters, and we will have it split down the middle with crew I guess, members who assess and accept Arrancar, and members who do it for Shinigami.
All in all I am just getting a bit annoyed about how things are going in the guild lately, and the Zalian thing is getting blown far out of proportion and I do believe since he is your member, it should be your say.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:49 pm
The only reason that most of my attention on this matter is focused on Zalian is because he is the one currently in question, if it was UCHIHA,than my attention would be on him. You are right that there is fault on both sides in terms of Gmodding and once this current issue is cleared up I think that should be addressed next. Anyway, Yes, this is a relatively simple matter but I think that is important none the less. I am willing to entertain the notion that Zalian is unaware that his posts and the pms he sent to Kage could be see as gmodding and harassment, I also think that if this is the case then he should be made aware of it and that he should be spoken to about it. I also think that there should be some flexibility on part of the accused, I think that someone accused of gmodding should at least try to take a look at their own work and see if anything might be wrong rather than make a huge fuss over something that could very easily be fixed. From a personal viewpoint, I have yet to see that happen although I would like to see it.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:24 pm
Thank you for that Redd.
Just one thing I need to ask. Where was the harassment? If you're going to quote do not use his name just use open quotes.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:51 pm
Youroka Kage Zalian Youroka Kage Zalian Youroka Kage Zalian May I inquire as to ask why you wish to halt the spar, Youroka? If there is some sort of error you wanted to point out or perhaps one within the spar itself, would it not be better to simply post that individual so that he/she could correct it? Though it's merely my opinion of course, I just simply believe it helps communication be kept at a stable condition not avoiding from interrupting the progress of a battle. There was a God mod claim in your fight be an anonymous person. It is the Guild Vice Captains job to look over the fight and see if the claim is to be true. This is in the guild rules. We will be doing our jobs, and we will get back to you when the fight reopens and/or Restarts as the guild rules state. Thank you, Youroka Kage Well I will not ask who made this accusation, but I would like to know what specific godmod attempt was made via claimed in the spar. That way, this will help me look over the details of these posts as well so that I too can examine what errors may have happened and could be easily rectified. Such information would be helpful for us participants as well in order to improve via change our tactics rather than possibly removing the thread, if such a decision is to be made. Dear sir, When the claim is put in, we stop the fight so that both parties do not continue fighting. This is because the claim can be put in by an outside source. I plan on Pming the person that I am in control of looking over for their posts after I am done analyzing them. Please wait, I am about half way done with what I must get done. Also, I would not delete the fight, for deleting is against my policy. I said restart, which in this case is a post that says fight restart if I find any godmods on this claim that I have been given. If I see no godmods, then I resume the fight where it started. If you give me about 20 more minutes, I will be done with this and I will pm my respective person with the mistakes that I have seen. Thank you, Youroka Kage I was no oblivious to this fact, Youroka. My inquiry resided in the details of the claim. In other words, I was simply asking what specific godmod was attempted? And if this anonymous individual even specified any. Overall, I was merely sharing an enlightened suggestion to help give a more thorough perspective of what I could do to recognize these errors myself and more frequently. My intentions of pming my inquiry to you was not our of any form of lack of patience. I fully understand what you are doing and I acknowledge that. Again, when I claim is made, the whole spar is in question, not anything spefic. When it is put in, we do not listen to what the person says where it is, we check the whole spar. So if you will be patient, then I can finish my job so that I can also move on. I am almost done. I would have finished sooner if you had not interrupted me. Now please, settle down and I will do this as fast as I can. Thank you, Youroka Kage Youroka Kage Zalian Not to sound rude at all, and with all do respect, but I do not think you understood me clearly. I was not, at any moment, impatient or distressed in any such manner as you claimed in your message. Telling me to settle down over something I was not even overreacting to was kind of presumptuous. Again, all I was really trying to do was ask if the anonymous individual had specified a particular error. Now I understand you are examining the spar all together, and I have no problem with that (And I apologize if my messages have been stalling your progress). But all I was really implying was that if a particular error is found and pointed out, wouldn't it be reasonable for such detail of that error to be shared with the participant(s)? It would at least help me understand that general error and whether or not if it's valid, it would help me keep that error in mind for future spars. Other than that, I was no more than merely curious is all. Again, You will find out when your Pm comes in. I'm sorry to inform you that I have had a hard day, It's already almost 1 am my time, and I am doing this on my birthday. So you will wait, I will tell you. I have not misunderstood you dear sir. The reason I told you to settle down was my way of saying please wait and I will return to you with the information that you are requesting. Also, it is not up to you to say weather this claim is valid or not. Again, please allow me to finish. You will have your answers then. Thank you, Youroka Kage In his conversation with Kage, Zalian should have just accepted the fact that the spar had been paused and waited for the assessment results. Instead he persistently asked Kage to give him the exact gmod that had the spar paused and then responded to Kage's Harassment forum with this pm: Quote: Zalian: It seems to me that I am probably speaking to the wrong person for this matter as it appears that you have quoted me and titled the thread as "Harassment From Zalian". How obscured and rude of you to so staggeringly misconstrue every word I have shared with you today. Again, clearly I am not speaking to a professional here as you seem to twist my approach towards this subject. I am INSULTED that you even thought that my message was, in any way, remotely intended as an harassment. I request to speak to someone who is actually willing and CAPABLE of actually interpreting my words correctly since you obviously continue to quote me in a thread that is framing me and misconstruing my approach in this matter. There was nothing stopping him from posting in the guild to defend himself. there is also the pms he sent to SAINT UCHIHA: SAINT UCHIHA Zalian SAINT UCHIHA Zalian So what do you make of all this? Any idea as to what godmod this anonymous person is claiming? i do not really know honestly i didnt see any god mod until i was told by the vice president that you have one eye which would mean it is highly unlikely for you to dodge my attacks (bala), which would be considered god i mod i presume : / That sounds like a ridiculous and invalid claim of error. Kenpachi wears an eye patch but do they specify whether or not he sees a certain attack heading for his blind spot? No. Just because someone has one eye doesn't mean that renders an individual's visual perception of the battle. Not to mention characters, in Bleach, don't always just rely on sight. They rely on many aspects of the human/shinigami body via attributes. Not just sight. This is totally absurd and obscured. What a nonsense excuse to claim such a thing as godmod! -.-
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:05 pm
1. What happened to the open quotes.. jare jare... never mind...
2. He wanted to know what he had done wrong, there is absolutely nothing wrong with him asking in the first place. If I was in the situation I would have asked too.
3. Yeah, he was hurt. If I put up a forum in the U/H about Harassment from Ace Brigade, Born-of-Shadow, Youroka Kage, Reddeye Gojiro Kiryu and so on and then quoted you and you were only a member not knowing what was being said about you, wouldn't you not feel upset? This is not just for you, this is as a general. He had every single right to be angry and to voice his opinions.
Now... ask yourselves... Would I post in the Guild whilst there is a "Harassment" thread being discussed amongst the Captains? I, for one, would feel just a little threatened.
From what I saw, 'harassment' was not the term that should have been used.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:25 pm
You have a point, several points actually.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:19 pm
Before anyone tries to get me in on this conversation or tries to suggest I should look it over I am going to, respectfully, stay out of this conversation. I see no reason or point to get involved in such a discussion and this opinion will remain as such and one that can not be changed.
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:15 pm
Thank you Hisoka, I've been fighting tooth and nail with the others for this point to be addressed so both offenders may be dealt with and not just holding one on a pedestal to be criticized.
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