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 Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:35 pm
Society is rife with double standards, and while sexism is largely illegal in the workplace in modern times, there are other forms of social sexism that still exist. Sometimes these favor men, and sometimes they favor women.
What are your views on sexism? Think carefully about the more subtle forms of sexism and double-standards before you answer. Do you treat men/boys differently than you treat girls/women? Do you feel that it is wrong for others to do so?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/27/men-dont-recognize-benevolent-sexism_n_885430.html
This article is great food for thought. Consider it, before you post.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:51 pm
I thought the study mentioned in this article was rather ridiculous. There is nothing detrimental whatsoever about holding doors open for people, carrying heavy parcels, or offering one's seat. It's called common courtesy, and I do it for people regardless of gender. While sexism certainly does still exist to an extent (i.e. a woman is a "slut" if she is loose, but a man is not), I didn't feel that this article did a good way of addressing it, nor did the study. And, frankly, I'm sick of the so-called feminists who feel they are superior. What happened to working toward equality?
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:33 pm
I love you so much I miss you every moment you're gone . . .
To be completly honest, I think I might treat girls a little differently o.o
I've just always felt more uncomfortable around men, which when you look at my past, that isn't that much of a shocker.
But, my closest friend is male and when I feel more comfortable around them, I act exactly the same as I would around any girl.
If I were to play favorites, I doubt it would be just because of someone's gender.
I think that is is wrong to judge or catagorize someone just because of their gender jsut as it is wrong to judge based on race or sexuality. If you have some dramatic and terrible trauma from a certain sex then it is understandable why you would be sexist but, you should try to get over your trauma with whatever help you can get and try your hardest to remain as fair as possible.
I'm not completly sure if I answered the questioned correctly . . .but I can add more should I ponder it more in a moment or two.
I hate you so much that I can't wait till our next fight because I love to hurt you
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:14 pm
This line in particular seems silly to me...
"We don't think that men should no longer be polite," he said. "Often chivalrous behavior is appropriate. It is just important to know when you are crossing the line."
How in the world can chivalrous behavior "cross the line?" It's just being polite...unless they open the door and say something along the lines of, "Here let me open this for you, for you are a woman and surely are unable to operate a door knob on your own." I just don't see how it can cross a line. I happen to like when people are chivalrous, regardless of whether they be a man or a woman and I try to do the same for others, again, regardless of their sex. Blatant sexism though is wrong. Men should not assume women are weak or otherwise inferior just because they are female and neither should women make assumptions about men just because they are male.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:45 pm
I was waiting to state my views, and I think that I will do so bit by bit. Which information will come first is to be based on how this is received by the guild as a whole. I think I have enough now to begin to state my feelings. Saber Pendragon How in the world can chivalrous behavior "cross the line?" It's just being polite... I just don't see how it can cross a line. I happen to like when people are chivalrous, regardless of whether they be a man or a woman and I try to do the same for others, again, regardless of their sex. Blatant sexism though is wrong. Men should not assume women are weak or otherwise inferior just because they are female and neither should women make assumptions about men just because they are male. The chivalric code was not about "How to treat people." It would much better be described as "How to correctly treat men different from women." It emphasized that yes, women have no power in society, but since they're so weak and frail it's proper to do these things for them. It's a little ironic that to have an unenlightened view of women can be called "medieval" and to have a polite way of treating women (and only women) is called "chivalrous." Ironic, but at the same time perfectly appropriate. Men who are thus "chivalrous" or "gallant" tend to be the sort that generally adopt other aspects of chivalry, as well. He may not be so direct and charmless as to say "Not now, sweetie, the men are talking," but if he gives you different treatment (effectively treatment as an inferior) when doing even light physical tasks that nearly any woman could easily accomplish herself, why she he treat you as an equal in conversation? Discussing business, violence, or anything unpleasant around women is considered uncouth by most of those same people. Don't be alarmed if they leave you behind if they have anything of consequence to discuss, as they wouldn't want to trouble your pretty little head about it. You should be prepared for such reception from someone who displays "Chivalrous" behavior. I will say this: "Chivalry," is a force that counters and works against equality among the genders.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:08 pm
Matasoga I was waiting to state my views, and I think that I will do so bit by bit. Which information will come first is to be based on how this is received by the guild as a whole. I think I have enough now to begin to state my feelings. The chivalric code was not about "How to treat people." It would much better be described as "How to correctly treat men different from women." It emphasized that yes, women have no power in society, but since they're so weak and frail it's proper to do these things for them. It's a little ironic that to have an unenlightened view of women can be called "medieval" and to have a polite way of treating women (and only women) is called "chivalrous." Ironic, but at the same time perfectly appropriate. Men who are thus "chivalrous" or "gallant" tend to be the sort that generally adopt other aspects of chivalry, as well. He may not be so direct and charmless as to say "Not now, sweetie, the men are talking," but if he gives you different treatment (effectively treatment as an inferior) when doing even light physical tasks that nearly any woman could easily accomplish herself, why she he treat you as an equal in conversation? Discussing business, violence, or anything unpleasant around women is considered uncouth by most of those same people. Don't be alarmed if they leave you behind if they have anything of consequence to discuss, as they wouldn't want to trouble your pretty little head about it. You should be prepared for such reception from someone who displays "Chivalrous" behavior. I will say this: "Chivalry," is a force that counters and works against equality among the genders. I suppose I wasn't thinking of chivalry in the traditional sense, in how men should treat women, but just in a general sense of how people should treat each other. Put like that though, I can see how it could be taken too far. That said, I don't know, I think I'd like to have my cake and eat it too. I think men and women should be treated as equals but I like some bits of chivalry, basically the polite aspects of it, the opening of doors and such.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:57 pm
As stated by those before me, I found the study ridiculous.
The article itself, however, made me think.
What made me think more, what was Josh had pointed out. I never have thought of that, but I have noticed it's true.
I would never have noticed any sort of thing like that i Orlando, but the small rural town I live in now is ripe with it.
I remember where I lived in Orlando as being the sort of place where you were simply on your own.
Here, however, men have different roles from women and as Josh said, 'Discussing business, violence, or anything unpleasant around women is considered uncouth'.
The men are to work outside, and the women are to clean, and cook. It doesn't bother me,(in fact I was raised to think this way) but it is indeed sexist.
Most men here, upon first meeting me, treat me as 'how one would treat a woman'. The men who stick around, and eventually become my friends, treat me 'like one of the boys'. There is no middle ground.
I do think of men differently than women, and treat them differently. I would talk about different subjects with women, for example shoes, clothing and such. While I would have no problem trading punches with guys, and sitting around playing video games or reading comics.
Even with the set of mind i have, I do think it sexist when men refuse to spar, or trade punches with me. 'it's not polite to hit a lady'.
I would trade punches, talk about comics and video games if a woman wished to, but otherwise not. Same with men.
Another thing to think about is how the legal system doesn't acknowledge when a woman is abusing a man. The man being abused may even think it shameful to tell anyone. This is sexist to both genders.
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