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 Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:19 pm
I've heard about a new build that just popped up fairly recently (around the end of may), and it's supposedly an "unbeatable" build in zvz. Quote: In a recent video [below], Destiny outlined a ZvZ build he called "unstoppable" and "wins every single ZvZ up to grandmasters". The build seems to be as follows (thanks to ItsBricksOutHere): * 13 pool * 15.5 (drone building) gas * 16 Overlord * Pool 100% - 1 spine + Queen * Queen 3/4% Roach Warren * 20 Overlord * Roach Warren 100% Roaches with all larvae (~6) * ~32 Overlord * ~34 Expand * 36 Metabolic Boost (Remove Drones from gas at this point) * 36 Roaches (~7) * 44 Overlord (or 2) * 46 Queen (or sooner if able) * ~50 Mass Lings behind Roaches * At this point there should be about 13 Roaches and several lings. 'A move' all units to enemy base, keeping the lings behind the roaches in case of banelings. Throughout the engagement, continue to produce lings and rally them to the opponents base. Destiny seems to think the only way to survive against this build is to do the same build. I haven't actually seen this build on ladder too much but it seems quite strong the few times I've executed it. Is this a common build in the higher leagues and what do people do when they suspect someone is doing this build? Here's some replays testing it out (not me), and the original video: Original VideoTest 1Test 2Test 3Test 4Test 5I think he won every match, except for the second one in which the opponent used a similar build.
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:24 pm
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:10 pm
I'll have to try it out later, the build is so specific though that it's going to take some practice to get refined and worked out on instinct.
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:43 pm
C4D I'll have to try it out later, the build is so specific though that it's going to take some practice to get refined and worked out on instinct. Yeah, I still can't use it without looking at the build order every ten seconds. But I think it's pretty foolproof unless your opponent does something like a 6-8 pool or a strategy similar to this.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:28 am
Evataph C4D I'll have to try it out later, the build is so specific though that it's going to take some practice to get refined and worked out on instinct. Yeah, I still can't use it without looking at the build order every ten seconds. But I think it's pretty foolproof unless your opponent does something like a 6-8 pool or a strategy similar to this. I'd just keep the build order in a notepad document on my second monitor =p. Seems like something I've seen him do a lot. It's really beefy from the roaches, and the endless amounts of zergling reinforcements are good support/cannon fodder for the roaches. It really just seems like fast roach with expand, except after you reach a certain amount of roaches you stop making them and just ling mass.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:28 pm
Onos Evataph C4D I'll have to try it out later, the build is so specific though that it's going to take some practice to get refined and worked out on instinct. Yeah, I still can't use it without looking at the build order every ten seconds. But I think it's pretty foolproof unless your opponent does something like a 6-8 pool or a strategy similar to this. . Seems like something I've seen him do a lot. It's really beefy from the roaches, and the endless amounts of zergling reinforcements are good support/cannon fodder for the roaches. It really just seems like fast roach with expand, except after you reach a certain amount of roaches you stop making them and just ling mass. I wish I had that luxury crying My monitor's like 5 or 6 years old, and I've been using a journal to record all my builds. Yep, it's not too hard to recover from either, unless your opponent is really aggressive.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:06 pm
Evataph Onos Evataph C4D I'll have to try it out later, the build is so specific though that it's going to take some practice to get refined and worked out on instinct. Yeah, I still can't use it without looking at the build order every ten seconds. But I think it's pretty foolproof unless your opponent does something like a 6-8 pool or a strategy similar to this. . Seems like something I've seen him do a lot. It's really beefy from the roaches, and the endless amounts of zergling reinforcements are good support/cannon fodder for the roaches. It really just seems like fast roach with expand, except after you reach a certain amount of roaches you stop making them and just ling mass. I wish I had that luxury crying My monitor's like 5 or 6 years old, and I've been using a journal to record all my builds. Yep, it's not too hard to recover from either, unless your opponent is really aggressive. Having two monitors, and each monitor has it's own video card iz nize =3. I don't have to worry about resource sharing for programs between monitors, I'll always get 100% from my main vid card =3.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:16 pm
Onos Evataph Onos Evataph C4D I'll have to try it out later, the build is so specific though that it's going to take some practice to get refined and worked out on instinct. Yeah, I still can't use it without looking at the build order every ten seconds. But I think it's pretty foolproof unless your opponent does something like a 6-8 pool or a strategy similar to this. . Seems like something I've seen him do a lot. It's really beefy from the roaches, and the endless amounts of zergling reinforcements are good support/cannon fodder for the roaches. It really just seems like fast roach with expand, except after you reach a certain amount of roaches you stop making them and just ling mass. I wish I had that luxury crying My monitor's like 5 or 6 years old, and I've been using a journal to record all my builds. Yep, it's not too hard to recover from either, unless your opponent is really aggressive. Having two monitors, and each monitor has it's own video card iz nize =3. I don't have to worry about resource sharing for programs between monitors, I'll always get 100% from my main vid card =3. You're making me jelly. gonk As long as my computer can run current games fairly smooth, I probably won't be upgrading anytime soon. And I'd really rather get a PSP than a new monitor atm.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:12 pm
I'm considering doing some layout changes around my area, by setting up a few charts and things on my desk and the surrounding walls for reminders, like specific build orders, timings, and scouting break downs.
I think it'd really help a lot with remembering things and it would give me a really quick reference while in game.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:21 pm
Evataph Onos Evataph Onos Evataph It's not as bad as the 5RR XP.Yeah, I still can't use it without looking at the build order every ten seconds. But I think it's pretty foolproof unless your opponent does something like a 6-8 pool or a strategy similar to this. . Seems like something I've seen him do a lot. It's really beefy from the roaches, and the endless amounts of zergling reinforcements are good support/cannon fodder for the roaches. It really just seems like fast roach with expand, except after you reach a certain amount of roaches you stop making them and just ling mass. I wish I had that luxury crying My monitor's like 5 or 6 years old, and I've been using a journal to record all my builds. Yep, it's not too hard to recover from either, unless your opponent is really aggressive. Having two monitors, and each monitor has it's own video card iz nize =3. I don't have to worry about resource sharing for programs between monitors, I'll always get 100% from my main vid card =3. You're making me jelly. gonk As long as my computer can run current games fairly smooth, I probably won't be upgrading anytime soon. And I'd really rather get a PSP than a new monitor atm. Sorry >_<, if it's any consolation, I had to move back with a parent while I finish up some school work since I lost my job v_v My life pretty much revolves around my computer though, and I hardly go out. So most of my money is in my computer. The rest is in my car and education =/. I have a PS3, but I pretty much never use it anymore unless I watch blu-ray since all the games I play are on the PC except a few.
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