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My advice: don't waste your time.

I spoke at length with her. She seemed to be comphrending my points, and at one point admitted that what she did was not Wicca as I described. But rather than rename her path, having heard all I could tell her, having been told by me in a patient manner regarding Wicca, misinformation, and misappropriation....well. She basically did 180 degrees to her previous position. She chose to be willfully ignorant, by making her claim that she follows some original, ancient Wicca - and that any other Wicca was a new-age pretender.

She has no proof for any of her claims, save that she has twisted MY words to attempt to justify herself.

I would also point out in that deciding to reject our argument for Wicca being Gardner's creation, she was also highly insulting to me, and to British Traditional Wicca in general...and pretty much anyone else who disagrees with her. Her actions thus far have been childish and immature, and I do not expect her to change.

She is not interested in hearing dissenting viewpoints, and it would be a waste of your time and energy to try to educate her in any way. She's already had Wicca explained to her - either she simply doesn't get it, or she absolutely -refuses- to get it. She's also got a fairly bad persecution complex, so it's not even worth trying to counter her as she tries to spread her nonsense around. She can't provide any sources, or evidence, for her assertions, at any rate, and if she's asked to she resorts to shifting the goalposts, trying to change the subject, or simply ignoring the requests for proof and moving on.

Whoever will believe her is probably a person who does not think critically, or already wants to think Wicca = ancient.

I have no idea where else to put this, so I'm putting it here:

I am *incredibly* angry about vwytche's twisting of my words for her own ends.

1) All I have ever told her IS publicly available information. She implies I have broken my oaths in discussing Wicca with her in a public forum, and I have not. It is nothing I have not said a thousand times, here or elsewhere. The implication that I have somehow broken my oaths to encourage her behavior is ludicrous and vile.

2) She has deliberately and wantonly spread misinformation on Wicca - based on my words. She has twisted my efforts to uphold my oaths, done in good faith, and I am insulted and disgusted beyond belief. What's more, she tells people that a Gardnerian is the basis for her misinformation, making it appear as if we're lying to everyone else.

3) She publicly acknowledged that what she does is not Wicca - and then completely reversed her position on the basis that she can't accept that she cannot access Wicca as a solitary, or that Wicca is not ancient, and that she feels anyone who tells her she's not entitled to Wicca is simply being an elitist jerk.

4) She has no proof of her claims regarding Wicca, and rejects valid source materials as unimportant to her claim. It is tantamount to admitting she has no valid claim, and she furthers it by muddying the waters with slander, slurs, and red herrings about elitism, and how weak, ineffectual, and watered down British Traditional Wicca is, compared to her 'real Wicca'.

vwyche would not be a suitable candidate for Wicca in any coven, anywhere. She has shown herself to be willfully ignorant, manipulative, arrogant, rude, and untrustworthy. I personally would sooner take a venemous snake to my bosom.

I want it to be known that I will not speak to anyone who chooses to believe vwyche's delusional lies regarding Wicca. I have no other way to respond to this, that would not further feed her persecution complex, except to ignore both her, and those who choose to believe her. If you choose to associate with her, you will not associate with me.

I dunno who this vywtche person is(I dont think I spelled that right), but I am sorry they upset you so Morg.