Dragunov SVD Variants. Thoughts? | Page 1 | Gaian Firearms Association (GFA) | Guild Forums

Ethereal Cereal

Offline

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:06 pm

I was in the forums for the first time since ever tonight, and I came across a thread in the ED talking about the best zombie weaponry. I mentioned the Romanian PSL and this is what I got for a response:

Quote:

The PSL is a clob of s**t since it's knocking off the AK design and is made of stamped steel instead of milled like a real Dragunov or a TIGR. THe PSL will function reliably with regular surplus ammo until you feed as much ammo through it as a heavily used machine gun then you start to notice you can pull the bolt back about a few centimeters more than you could when you first bought it because the PSL destroys itself no matter how much maintenence you put into it. The bolt always violently smacks against the reciever every time it's fired. The damage is worsened if you fed higher pressure ammo through it.

I've been to 2 gunshops that were selling PSLs and they were running these rifles at $600-$900 which I find utterly ridiculous for a gun that has to have the reciever replaced every time I want to shoot a couple surplus ammo tin's worth of ammo through it.

Thread

Any professional/educated opinions to be had about this particular weapon by anybody who has owned or fired one?

Also, while we're at it, I purchased a Romanian Tokarev TTC today, since based on what I've seen the prices for an authentic Russian TT-33 can get pretty out-there, so I had to ask: what about other clones/knock-offs/whatever you want to call them. Good? Bad? Indifferent?

Discuss, if you will.

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:06 pm

it was designed to fire LIGHT BALL ammunition. which is the standard loading for pretty much all rifles chambered in x54 anyways.

dont let the word "light ball" fool you either. from a mosin I've shot hungarian light ball through nearly half an inch thick steel plate multiple times and it punched holes clean through it. (steel core ammo)

just dont ever feed a PSL heavy ball or you will start to get the problems that were described in your quote.

Recon_Ninja_985

Dapper Entrepreneur

7,850 Points

100
100
50

Offline

Ethereal Cereal

Offline

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:24 am

So more or less he's basing his opinion off the fact that he probably shot the wrong ammo through it. How ironic. Had to figure he probably wasn't military, or at least a professional. dramallama

Thanks for the heads-up. If I ever get a PSL (which will most likely happen), I'll be sure not to put anything too heavy through it.

Quick question for reference, though: you mention specifically light ball. From what I'm looking at regarding surplus ammo evaluations, all the light ball ammo is right around 148-grain. Would I do any damage if I ran FMJ through a PSL, as long as it was the same mass?

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:34 pm

Ethereal Cereal

So more or less he's basing his opinion off the fact that he probably shot the wrong ammo through it. How ironic. Had to figure he probably wasn't military, or at least a professional. dramallama

Thanks for the heads-up. If I ever get a PSL (which will most likely happen), I'll be sure not to put anything too heavy through it.

Quick question for reference, though: you mention specifically light ball. From what I'm looking at regarding surplus ammo evaluations, all the light ball ammo is right around 148-grain. Would I do any damage if I ran FMJ through a PSL, as long as it was the same mass?

well it's pretty easy to avoid shooting heavy ball through a PSL. you pretty much have to be specifically looking for it in order to buy some as pretty much everything out there is light ball. but there's been plenty of people who just buy any x54 ammo thinking it's all the same and dont know what they have as well.

most websites that sell ammo will tell you exactly what ammo it is.

of course it's ok to shoot FMJ. every military rifle, western and combloc alike were made to shoot FMJ specifically

I would probably recommend against shooting unjacketed lead rounds through semi autos because of barrel leading, having a reputation for not feeding reliably, being harder to clean, etc.

just buy the surplus ammo in the spam cans, it's not only cheaper but the proper rounds to be shooting from a surplus combloc military rifle. just remember that the ammo is corrosive which means you have to clean it the day you shoot it otherwise it your gun will start to rust a bit.

Recon_Ninja_985

Dapper Entrepreneur

7,850 Points

100
100
50

Offline

Ethereal Cereal

Offline

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:10 pm

I always clean it day-of anyways. Hoppe's #9 works wonders.

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:39 pm

Ethereal Cereal

I always clean it day-of anyways. Hoppe's #9 works wonders.

hoppes #9 cologne is the best mrgreen

Recon_Ninja_985

Dapper Entrepreneur

7,850 Points

100
100
50

Offline

Recon_Ninja_985

Dapper Entrepreneur

7,850 Points

100
100
50

Offline

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:58 am

i'd rather just buy an original sniper mosin. the russians had to have made millions in the sniper configuration because they're priced pretty fairly.

you can find them for around $450

which is not only awesome, it's also $200-$300 less than a PSL costs

you get the $100 rifle, you get the $300-$400 PU scope. plus you already have all the work done to the rifle to have the scope properly mounted by it's original soviet arsenal.

regarded as one of the best sniper rifles in all WW2, I really cant say that I don't want one.

"watch me crank dat mosin bolt and zaitsev dat hoe"

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:13 am

I just noticed the post was from valkyrie hatter... sounds like him alright.

he always seems to have some sort of far fetched baseless opinion on almost any gun.

I kinda stopped taking him seriously when he mentioned that an AR-10 will be good as a beltfed gun eek and can be done with a drop in kit as if the upper receiver will somehow cut a rectangle in itself to start accepting linked .308 as if it's that simple.

and then he goes to say that a standard aluminum AR receiver is stronger than a stamped steel AK receiver. neutral

he's pretty prejudiced against stamped receivers without really knowing just how damned strong they are. he believes them to be "fragile" and that milled is the only answer rolleyes

meh

I would reccommend getting a recoil buffer for the PSL if you ever do plan on buying one, because what he said isnt entirely false, the bolt carrier does come back pretty hard into the rear of the receiver but it would take thousands and thousands of rounds to ever significantly cause any long term damage. it should accept a recoil buffer made for the AK platform

Recon_Ninja_985

Dapper Entrepreneur

7,850 Points

100
100
50

Offline

Ethereal Cereal

Offline

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:20 am

Now see, I knew you'd be the guy to ask. You're both knowledgeable and helpful, where he just sounds like he's talking out of his a** and he's a douchebag at the same time. Now I'm even more glad I joined. mrgreen

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:25 pm

Ethereal Cereal

Now see, I knew you'd be the guy to ask. You're both knowledgeable and helpful, where he just sounds like he's talking out of his a** and he's a douchebag at the same time. Now I'm even more glad I joined. mrgreen

thanks 3nodding

I gotta deal with him in the other gun forum here on gaia all the time gonk

he's not all bad, sometimes he has something worthy of mention.

Recon_Ninja_985

Dapper Entrepreneur

7,850 Points

100
100
50

Offline

Ethereal Cereal

Offline

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:16 pm

He's the type of person I'd prefer not to have to deal with, though. At least I can level with you, he doesn't come off as the type I'd be able to do that with.

Welcome to Gaia! ::

Gaia Guilds

Gaian Firearms Association (GFA)

Quick Reply

More Information