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What House should Hiei be stuck in?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:55 pm


I've been a fanfiction reader for nearly seven years now, having been introduced to that wonderful world by none other than Yu Yu Hakusho itself, and I've read my fair share of Harry Potter and YYH crossovers. Most of them were terrible, but let's save the fanfiction rant for another day and get to why this topic is aptly titled, "I have a Sorting Hat."

From my adventures in the land of YYHxHP crossovers, I have discovered something that disturbs me: Yusuke and Kuwabara are nearly always Gryffindors, Kurama is more often than not a Ravenclaw, and Hiei is automatically branded as a Slytherin.

At first glance: "That makes sense!"
At second glance: "But kind of predictable. And boring."
At third glance: "Wait a minute...."

We've had a lot of good discussions about the personalities of various YYH characters, so I thought I'd bring this to the table. We've concluded that a lot of people misinterpret characters' personalities, so wouldn't that affect which House the writer puts a character in? What do you think of these common classifications?

I'll wait for someone to respond before I go off on my tangent.

[CREDIT: This post was completely inspired by JoIsBishMyoga's The Best Defense.]
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:01 am


Interesting... I haven't read HP/YYH crossover fanfics, but assigning Hogwarts houses for characters is tricky, most of all because one has to assume that the characters would have no preference and wouldn't beg the hat to be sorted into a certain house like Harry did...I could see Hiei being a Slytherin, but I could also see him as a Gryffindor easily, since he's very loyal to his friends. With Yuusuke, I could see him in either of the two houses above as well, but I think he's the type who would definitely have a preference, and that would override what the Sorting Hat thought.
Kuwabara seems so much like a Hufflepuff to me. I think he's probably one of the more friendly characters...Though most shounen anime/manga characters are likely Gryffindors because of shounen series' strong emphasis on friendship and loyalty.

Of course, for more fun, it would be interesting to sort supporting characters like Koenma, Genkai, or, hmm...Elder Toguro?

The most in-depth Hogwarts quiz I've taken is this one, so if we were lazy or wanted a more objective way to sort them, we could always fill out Hogwarts house sorting quizzes like that one as we think certain characters might.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:46 pm


JoIsBishMyoga [of The Best Defense fame] classified the following:

Hiei - Gryffindor
Like you said, this one makes a lot of sense once you start thinking about it. Hiei is fiercely loyal to those who have earned his respect, and he's very protective of the ones he cares about most. Compared to, say, Kurama, Hiei's upfront about what he thinks about everything: if he doesn't like you, you'll know it. If he wants you dead, you'll know that too...until he kills you, anyway. And he's definitely courageous; he doesn't shy away from a dangerous situation.

Kurama - Slytherin
Admittedly, Kurama asked to be put into Slytherin so that the YYH group would have at least one member in every House - the reason why the group was there at Hogwarts was to protect the students in the first place. Yet Kurama notes that aside from Hiei and himself, no one else would be able to survive in Slytherin. Hiei explains to [a very shocked] Harry, Ron, and Hermione that Kurama was put into Slytherin because while he might seem loyal, he just won't betray you until you betray him first.

Personally, while I can also see Kurama in Ravenclaw, I do have to agree with the Slytherin thing as well. Unlike Hiei, Kurama is closed, cunning, calculating. With Kurama, what you see is definitely not what you get - he's cutthroat, and he's willing to bide his time before reducing you to absolute nothingness.

Yusuke & Kuwabara - Gryffindor
Self-explanatory. I agree that Kuwabara does possess Hufflepuff tendencies, but he seems to fit the standards for Gryffindor more. I think that if he had known his choices, he would've chosen Gryffindor over Hufflepuff.

Keiko - Ravenclaw
Also kind of self-explanatory.

Botan & Yukina
Where else would they be? They're both the most open about their kindness and empathy, and they firmly believe in fairness and principles above all.

But let's move away from the main characters....

Genkai, I have to say, would probably be in Gryffindor as well. In a way, I can also see her in Hufflepuff [hey, being in Hufflepuff does NOT mean you're a pushover] or even in Slytherin [calculating in spades, doing things for "herself," not too bad at manipulating others].
PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:30 am


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JoIsBishMyoga [of The Best Defense fame] classified the following:

Hiei - Gryffindor
Like you said, this one makes a lot of sense once you start thinking about it. Hiei is fiercely loyal to those who have earned his respect, and he's very protective of the ones he cares about most. Compared to, say, Kurama, Hiei's upfront about what he thinks about everything: if he doesn't like you, you'll know it. If he wants you dead, you'll know that too...until he kills you, anyway. And he's definitely courageous; he doesn't shy away from a dangerous situation.

Kurama - Slytherin
Admittedly, Kurama asked to be put into Slytherin so that the YYH group would have at least one member in every House - the reason why the group was there at Hogwarts was to protect the students in the first place. Yet Kurama notes that aside from Hiei and himself, no one else would be able to survive in Slytherin. Hiei explains to [a very shocked] Harry, Ron, and Hermione that Kurama was put into Slytherin because while he might seem loyal, he just won't betray you until you betray him first.

Personally, while I can also see Kurama in Ravenclaw, I do have to agree with the Slytherin thing as well. Unlike Hiei, Kurama is closed, cunning, calculating. With Kurama, what you see is definitely not what you get - he's cutthroat, and he's willing to bide his time before reducing you to absolute nothingness.

Yusuke & Kuwabara - Gryffindor
Self-explanatory. I agree that Kuwabara does possess Hufflepuff tendencies, but he seems to fit the standards for Gryffindor more. I think that if he had known his choices, he would've chosen Gryffindor over Hufflepuff.

Keiko - Ravenclaw
Also kind of self-explanatory.

Botan & Yukina
Where else would they be? They're both the most open about their kindness and empathy, and they firmly believe in fairness and principles above all.

But let's move away from the main characters....

Genkai, I have to say, would probably be in Gryffindor as well. In a way, I can also see her in Hufflepuff [hey, being in Hufflepuff does NOT mean you're a pushover] or even in Slytherin [calculating in spades, doing things for "herself," not too bad at manipulating others].


Eh...
I could see all these working.
Especially Kurama's.
I think Kurama's choice in House was EXTREMELY well-picked. smile

As for Genkai...
I'd have to say Slytherin. She says in her fight with Shishi Wakamaru (or at least claims) that she didn't fight demons as some sort of righteous-trip, but she disposed of anyone in her way, and most of the time they just so-happened to be demons.

I think the only reasons we might consider her for Hufflepuff now is because she's a lot older now, so has kinda softened up over the years, you know?

I also think she has a soft spot of the YYH group.

But yeah, I think she has a lot of traits of any good Slytherin.
She's cunning, headstrong, willing to take what she's after,
you know?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:15 pm


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What I specifically love about this topic is that if you get a bunch of diehard YYH and HP fans in the same forum together, this thread could go on FOREVER. And the reason there's so much debate, I think, is the ridiculously amazing depth and beauty of the YYH characters. (Not that Rowling's characters aren't deep--but I, like Dumbledore, think they sort too soon. If one of the first things we learn about the characters is which house they're in, it does tend to automatically influence our opinion of them in genre-savvy and not-so-genre savvy ways.)

What we need to take into consideration is the qualities required of the students in each house, the personality traits of each individual character, and whether or not will would be a factor. (Particularly in iffy, undecided cases. For instance, the sorting hat told Harry that he would belong equally in Slytherin or Griffydor; it was his choice. It's possible that one or more of the YYH characters could also be privy to this.)

So, the qualities of the houses at Hogwarts--keeping in mind that the houses are morally ambiguous and you can't just throw all the villains into Slytherin (case in point: Peter Pettigrew, an "evil" Griffyndor; SPOILER: Severus Snape, a "good" Slytherin; Sirius Black, a "good" Griffyndor with an (almost) entirely "bad" Slytherin family; etc.) Perhaps the qualities we don't agree on are most telling.

Griffyndor: Brave, valiant, prizes honor(?)

Ravenclaw: Intelligent, witty, prizes brilliance

Hufflepuff: Loyal, honest, prizes truth(?)

Slytherin: Ambitious, cunning, prizes power.

Now I'll attempt to figure out which character belongs to which house based on observable personality and their preference--

Yusuke: Probably Griffyndor, in traditional shonen hero style. He cares about his family and friends to a near fault, wants to grow and be strong, etc. I imagine if Yusuke actually cared about which house he was in he'd choose this one, but for all intents and purposes I think he wouldn't really give a crap.

Kuwabara: I'm torn between Griffyndor and Hufflepuff. On the one hand, he's loyal to every core of his being, and self-sacrificing for his friends, which is probably a Hufflepuff trait. On the other hand, he's ridiculously honorable, to the point of not wanting to fight females and so forth, which I'd consider a Griffyndor trait. Possibly this comes down to his choice--which for me is hard to predict. I can see him wanting to be a Griffyndor because it's renowned for its heroes and honor--yet at the same time, he seems pretty well-adjusted in his sidekick roll (although don't you ever tell him that's what he is.)

Kurama: Another torn one; he is definitely smart, and I think he prizes his intelligence enough to go to Ravenclaw. But he is also cutthroat and ruthless, willing to do almost anything he has to, which I'd say is more of a Slytherin-type personality. So again, I think this would come down to his choice. If we're talking human Kurama with Shiori as his morality pet, I think he'd probably choose Ravenclaw, as Slytherin might just remind him of his demon side which would infallibly go to Slytherin. He might also choose Ravenclaw if he were trying to blend in more, since his obvious intelligence would make a lot of people ask why he isn't in Ravenclaw if he were in any other house.

Hiei: Definitely the toughest of the bunch. I completely understand the argument for Griffyndor; as said, he has an honor code and sticks to it. He's also honest and loyal, though, Hufflepuff traits, and no one would call him stupid, a Ravenclaw trait. And while the Slytherin argument is incredibly cliche and typical, I think there is something to be said for it--look at how much he is willing to risk to gain power. He's the most ambitious of all four of the main characters, and not opposed to making tough sacrifices. I think Hiei really is one of those swing characters, whose house depends almost entirely on his choice. His choice, I think, would differ drastically depending on the circumstances. I can imagine him, like Yusuke, being unsufferably apathetic and not really giving a crap WHICH house he joined--but like I said, it depends on the circumstances. Is this a fully-grown and developed Hiei, or is this an AU Hiei who is the equivalent of 11 human years old? I imagine that he would sympathize with Slytherin if he heard that they were ambitious and not adverse to getting what they want--but I can also see him wanting to preserve his honor and dignity and going with Griffyndor. In the end, though, I imagine his reaction to all this would be, "I'm above your stupid human (wizard) games; when do I get to kill someone?"

So there's my two cents. Sorry it's a tl;dr post, but you know how we YYH fans can get. biggrin
PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:47 pm


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I would honestly split Hiei between Gryffindor and Slytherin. I think his two major aspects to his character are honor and ambition, belonging to the two Houses, respectively. If he felt his honor was at stake and this was Hiei post meeting the YYH gang, I think he'd choose Gryffindor, or would be placed in that House. If this is pre-YYH, he'd be a Slytherin with a soft spot for his sister, as I believe his ambition outweighed his honor pre-Yusuke.

I'll also agree with InkMistress in that depending on the side Kurama wanted to emphasize, his House placement would differ. The Demon aspects to his current personality, the remnants of his past self, would place him in Slytherin. No doubt. Youko was cunning and ambitious, displayed through his constant thieving to obtain power. Current Kurama, with Shiori as a factor, as made him a lot more docile. He's more focused on cunning than ambition and power now. Still traits of a Slytherin, but in hopes to maintain a good name, he might request placement in Ravenclaw. He's certainly able! Kurama is constantly deemed throughout the show as utterly brilliant! In addition to his cunning, he's knowledgeable and unafraid to pursue knowledge.

I think Kuwabara would be very much left up to the writer. For someone who wanted further emphasis on his softer side, he'd be placed in Hufflepuff. For further emphasis on his honor in battle, Gryffindor.
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Something I didn't note before:

I don't think Ravenclaw would be an ideal placement for Keiko. While studious, she's also loyal, brave, and lead often by her heart vs. her head. I think a better placement for her might be Hufflepuff or even Gryffindor. She's kinda Hermione-like, don't you think?

And the whole "prizes truth" reminds me a lot of her.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:56 pm


Before I jump in: I'm not analyzing AU versions of the characters. I'm Sorting them by all the qualities they exhibited over the course of the show.

I still have to say Gryffindor for Kuwabara. Gryffindor values loyalty just as much as Hufflepuff does, courage [which is the biggest thing, I think - look at Lavender, who seems to have absolutely no redeeming qualities aside from the fact that she was brave enough to help pack up those Blast-Ended Skrewts and fight in the final battle at Hogwarts], chivalry [Kuwa's got that in spades], and honor [he's got that covered too, even more than Yusuke or Hiei do]. He seems to be so...Gryffindor-ish that I can't really see him being in Hufflepuff unless he chooses to be. Gryffindor seems to be his dominant quality.

Hiei, by the end of the series, didn't really have any ambition. While he was still fighting all of Mukuro's lackeys, he kind of just...angsted and said he didn't give a damn about living anymore. While the old Hiei might've been dumped straight into Slytherin, post-series Hiei? Not so much. He displays Gryffindor qualities, not Slytherin ones. [He's not a Hufflepuff or a Ravenclaw either, because neither of those Houses prize the traits that he displays most prominently. Hiei values smarts, but not vehemently so - he just thinks everyone else, for the most part, is stupid. Hufflepuff is the House of fairness/justice [which Hiei likes to define for himself xD], loyalty, hard work without reward [...yeah, Hiei's kind of a fail in that part], and misfits [people who don't particularly belong in any other House]. It's similar to Gryffindor, but definitely not the same. Gryffindors would go forth and kill the lords who terrorize the poor; Hufflepuffs would run the most successful charity project to eliminate poverty ever.

Keiko's brave, but only up to a certain point. She doesn't seem to value it terribly, even though she's got the trait. While yes, she is rather Hermione-like, I think Keiko's better suited to Ravenclaw because she does value the whole resourcefulness, cleverness, and wit package. Remember that Sorting is rarely ever ideal - most people don't just fit into one of four categories. Snape's ideal House probably wasn't Slytherin. Wormtail's ideal House definitely wasn't Gryffindor. It's not meant to be ideal, just what works best.

Besides, she kind of only acts on her heart whenever Yusuke's around....
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:38 pm


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Hiei, by the end of the series, didn't really have any ambition. While he was still fighting all of Mukuro's lackeys, he kind of just...angsted and said he didn't give a damn about living anymore. While the old Hiei might've been dumped straight into Slytherin, post-series Hiei? Not so much.


That makes sense. I still think it's a pretty even split either way, though. Take Chapter Black, for example. Hiei completely leaving his "friends," pretty much saying "Sorry, not my problem. Have fun dying!" And then waiting for the opportune moment to return to Demon World. Okay, TOTALLY Slytherin, right? After his own gain, right?

Then we find out that he'd been keeping tabs on them, later when he rescues Yusuke from Sniper. He tries to play it off as "I wasn't worried about you. blahblahblah," but you can tell he cares and by the end he's off to help his friends once again, possibly destroying his only chance to re-enter Demon World.

So, basically, I think it could go either way. Hiei could either be the "bad" Gryffindor, or the "good" Slytherin. For the sake of maintaining his facade around others, I would see him request to be in Slytherin, if given the choice. Hiei wouldn't like the ideology behind the Gryffindor House. (Don't believe me? Remember one of the first things he said to Yusuke? "You're a team-player, a save-the-day superhero...I hate people like you.")

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Keiko's brave, but only up to a certain point. She doesn't seem to value it terribly, even though she's got the trait. While yes, she is rather Hermione-like, I think Keiko's better suited to Ravenclaw because she does value the whole resourcefulness, cleverness, and wit package.

...

Besides, she kind of only acts on her heart whenever Yusuke's around....


Ahhh! Yes, I see your point. smile Okay, I could deal with that. Though maybe Hufflepuff would be better suited for her, based on this quote:

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Hufflepuff is the House of fairness/justice, loyalty, hard work without reward


That bolded part strikes me as ESPECIALLY Keiko.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:50 pm


Part of what's tricky about Sorting is that Hufflepuff seems to share its underlying values with both Gryffindor and to a lesser extent, Ravenclaw. All Houses except for Slytherin seem to value moral goodness and hard work to some extent. I think what separates those with Hufflepuff beliefs from true Hufflepuffs is whether they particularly value anything else as well. If Keiko didn't have such a strong academic interest, it is most likely that she would be sorted into Hufflepuff. If Kuwabara wasn't so chivalrous and brave, then he too would be in Hufflepuff. In a way, you could say that Gryffindors and Ravenclaws are Hufflepuffs with another dominant interest/aspect.
PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 2:11 pm


ninja I dunno why, but I think Hiei is too good for Slytherin, but not exactly Gryffindor... and no way in hell a Ravenclaw. only one other place so... ninja

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 11:12 am


But Hiei's not exactly Hufflepuff either. If we had to choose between Gryffindor and Hufflepuff for him [assuming those are the top choices, according to your thought process], I would definitely say Gryffindor.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:46 pm


At first I was going to argue that Hiei does definitely belong in Slytherin; then I realized that I actually don't think that anymore, so that's a moot point. Hiei, especially post-series, is Gryffindor material.

I'm undecided on Keiko as well; she's smart enough and dedicated enough to get the grade in Ravenclaw, but I feel like if asked she'd say she prizes bravery and chivalry more than smarts.

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Hiei wouldn't like the ideology behind the Gryffindor House. (Don't believe me? Remember one of the first things he said to Yusuke? "You're a team-player, a save-the-day superhero...I hate people like you.")


Although, that is something he said very early on in the series--before he'd known real friendship or camaraderie; before they were teammates, dependent on each other for life, and before he made that difficult choice to help close his only link home. I wonder if later-series Hiei would still say something like that or believe it (especially since he effectively becomes just what he despises Yusuke for.)

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At first I was going to argue that Hiei does definitely belong in Slytherin; then I realized that I actually don't think that anymore, so that's a moot point. Hiei, especially post-series, is Gryffindor material.

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Hiei wouldn't like the ideology behind the Gryffindor House. (Don't believe me? Remember one of the first things he said to Yusuke? "You're a team-player, a save-the-day superhero...I hate people like you.")


Although, that is something he said very early on in the series--before he'd known real friendship or camaraderie; before they were teammates, dependent on each other for life, and before he made that difficult choice to help close his only link home. I wonder if later-series Hiei would still say something like that or believe it (especially since he effectively becomes just what he despises Yusuke for.)


True. So it might depend on what part of the series we make our decisions from. Hiei does lose a lot of his ambition after meeting Yusuke, as shown in Chapter Black when he gives up on his return to Makai. Though I wouldn't say he ever loses his cunning...

Bravery, daring, and chivalry though...I mean, he DOES have a code, he just doesn't parade it around as much. And he does seem to rather despise the low-life demons who just grovel about for their next meal or victim. That could either be attributed to "They have no great ambition" or "They have no honor." Anyone have a reference to shed some further light?

Either way, I think he'd be a dynamic addition to either House.

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I'm undecided on Keiko as well; she's smart enough and dedicated enough to get the grade in Ravenclaw, but I feel like if asked she'd say she prizes bravery and chivalry more than smarts.


Hmmm...Reviewing the Houses...I say she might be a good Hufflepuff as well. Not saying she's not smart, but she's not particularly witty or deductive either. Also, hard-work and loyalty fit her rather well...I mean, she wasn't JUST a straight-A student, she was dedicated to her school, taking leadership roles in student council, and remained loyal to her friends...ESPECIALLY to Yusuke.

Though she had quite a few showcases of daring and bravery, such as her outspokenness during the Dark Tournament, but perhaps that could just be attributed to her loyalty?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:40 pm


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I'm undecided on Keiko as well; she's smart enough and dedicated enough to get the grade in Ravenclaw, but I feel like if asked she'd say she prizes bravery and chivalry more than smarts.


Hmmm...Reviewing the Houses...I say she might be a good Hufflepuff as well. Not saying she's not smart, but she's not particularly witty or deductive either. Also, hard-work and loyalty fit her rather well...I mean, she wasn't JUST a straight-A student, she was dedicated to her school, taking leadership roles in student council, and remained loyal to her friends...ESPECIALLY to Yusuke.

Though she had quite a few showcases of daring and bravery, such as her outspokenness during the Dark Tournament, but perhaps that could just be attributed to her loyalty?


Yeah, I can see Keiko in Hufflepuff. She is very loyal and dedicated, and her main priority, I think, is Yusuke over everything else. She's most concerned with him over bravery and over intelligence . . . Hufflepuff would be good for her.

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