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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:43 pm
Unrelated notes: -Fourth playthrough under my belt and I still kind of suck at this game~. cool
-Has anyone ever made a patch which fixes the blackscreen ending? It really bothers me.
-Someone explain to me how FE5 is apparently harder than FE4 when in FE5, 90% of anything caps everything and dodges everything and has scroll abuse present to break people more. Maybe I need moar FE4 playthoughs to match all my FE5 playthroughs to get better at it? D:
-LevinxTiltyu= early Holsety spammage/pimp Arther (as Sety is pimp even without Holsety)/Ishtore rape FYI.
-Going to try and play Tearring Saga in Japanese as it is an FE in spirit (Shouzou Kaga, FTW!)
-FE9's Kurthnaga= FE4's Prince Kurth who is rather frail and FE3/4/5's Narga who is a dragon. cool I just realized that, I'm dumb. D:
Right, onto the on topic question: Kurth is a decendant from the Heim bloodline and Cigyun slept with him to spew out Dierdre, Sigurd is also a decendant of Heim, so would that make Dierdre and Sigurd.. cousins? If so, in reality, it doesn't bother me, FE4 has enough of that as it is.
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:41 pm
Blackscreen is famous for a reason. To my knowledge, know one has dealt with it.
The bottom line is that stat caps of FE5 SUCK. It also throws much more at you and gives you substantially less incredibly-broken stuff. And scroll abuse really ought not be assumed to take place in copious amounts. The weapon triangle is also actually worth something in FE4 and easier to exploit.
Yes, LevinxTiltyu produces all sorts of rape. And Sety is still fabulous, exactly.
Never cared to get into that series, but enjoy.
Yup. Tellius and Judgral have all sorts of things in common in general.
I don't recall Sigurd being a descendant of Heim. He's just a descendant of Baldo, isn't he?
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:07 am
Damn, I'm sure Endgame will feel like less of a void if someone will actually fix that. D: Also, I know there must be another FE5 patch out there (ie: Dime/Daim Thunder, Pahn/Pirn, Marty: The man loved by Dagda/Marty: Dagda's loving "Son" etc..)
B-but caps suck with enemies too and skills are easier to take advantage (imo) of as rarely do enemies have any. FE4 is harder for me than FE5 was, I always found FE4 to be a mass chaos that throws 10+ things on your plate at once whist FE5 is just a normal FE with one thing to accomplish per chapter.
I thought Baldo was a descendant of Heim, maybe I'm reading the family tree wrong. Here's another question then: when did Aida and Alvis have a kid? (Cyus, I know) From the impression I got, Aida was just an assistant to Alvis and Dierdre was the only love of Alvis, he couldn't really have Cyus without having an affair with her.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:36 am
Well you can always look up the scripts that happen after the screen of death. There's a link to them from Serenes's Forums.
FE4 gives you a lot of broken characters really quickly, lets you basically pass around skill rings and stat boosting rings as you like, lets you repair every item so you never have to worry about them breaking, lets you make skill combinations for the second generation however you like (and things like Wrath+Ambush actually work), has a built in arena that doesn't slow down turn completions, lets Dancers refresh up to four units, lets you use all your characters at any time and has no fatigue system, and virtually none of the good units require babying. FE5 has stuff that's broken, too, but not like FE4. Think about it: FE4 gives you a mounted Prepromote Lord with good stats that can use two types of weapons immediately… compare that with how Leaf starts. It gives you Shanan with immediate access to Balmung as soon as the second chapter of the second generation starts which, even if your pairings completely sucked provides you with an insta-win button (combined with Aless, Celice, and Leaf, you can completely ruin your pairings and still sail through without major problems). Not even Othin or Sety or anyone else can compete with that level of brokenness. Mega-tanky mounts with Elite, a multiplicity of ways to abuse Holsety, a final boss that can be defeated in one turn, etc… FE5 has Fatigue, weapons that actually break, various situations that can cause literally endless reinforcements, caps that are much more difficult to make broken (a Speed Ring lets you surpass your speed cap by 5 in FE4, it just helps you get to 20 in FE5), gives you access to skills you didn't originally have but only to one person (FE4's Elite Ring>>>>>>>FE5's Elite Manual, for example), has bitchy things to work around (Fog-of-War: potentially enjoyable, sure, but a pain in the a** that you don't deal with in FE4) etc… Opponents in FE4 are more likely to have skills, that's true, but the amount of powerful resources you're provided with in FE4 makes that negligible. FE4 isn't necessarily easy, but FE5 is rightly credited as the most difficult game in the series. I'll put it like this: I'm pretty sure everyone in FEF is capable of completing FE4. NOT everyone in FEF is capable of completing FE5 - even on Elite Mode.
If Baldo and Heim are both crusaders, how would Baldo be Heim's descendent? Aida's both Alvis's tactician and his mistress. So yeah, they had an affair.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:55 pm
I think I will, even if I really want to see the ending scene myself, then again, I could always do a Japanese run through of it to see the ending.
Even with all those game breaking aspects of FE4 and all those rage inducing effects of FE5, I still found FE4 harder. Perhaps it's just a physiological thing of having to deal with such big maps and having to do ten things at once opposed to average sized maps and usually one goal in mind. Whatever it is, even if it is a tough game for me, I always come back for more. As for the people in FEF, I haven't met anyone besides you who has even touched FE5 which is a shame as it is the best (imo) game in the series..
Again, it's an error on my behalf, I always thought Narga was the crusader who then went on to have Heim who had Baldo as most people on forums, when they talk about Deirdre/Julia's major blood, they always say "Major Narga blood" opposed to major Heim blood. And Heim and Baldo? That was just a misunderstanding of serenesforest.net's family tree as they wrote it to look like Baldo is a descendant of Heim. And okay, that makes sense, although I always had the impression that Alvis loved Deirdre enough to not have an affair with her. D:
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:34 pm
Yeah, I was quite disappointed about the screen, but the scripts are better than nothing.
Perhaps you simply enjoy FE5 so much it seems easier to you. And they're not active at the moment (and one person's been banned), but I know there are other people who I believe either were going to play FE5 or have played it. But yeah, I do wish more people were familiar with it.
It's my understanding that Narga=Heim. It's called Narga in FE4 and Heim in FE5, but I think both words are referring to the same person. Note that the key on that chart has Narga and Heim with the same symbol. Not sure why that's the case though. As for Alvis, I could be wrong, but I never thought he loved Deidre - he knew she was Sigurd's wife, after all, and married her for entirely political reasons (and blackmail reasons).
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:26 pm
The Love that Lasts the Longest...  Say something new! I have nothing left... I can't face the DARK without you!
This may be a Rank-A Necromance, but: Heim is the Crusader of Narga/wielded the Narga Tome. Baldo is the Crusader (we don't know what Dragon he fought for) who wielded the Tyrfing. They're unrelated. (Only Related Crusaders were Noba and Dain, who were Brother and Sister) Baldo and Heim lineage didn't cross until Sigurd/Diadora.
Alvis *DID* in fact love Diadora. That's why he kills Sigurd (Sigurd's actually quite distant from his plan to take the throne and far from an obstacle. Manfroy might have had an issue with such a powerful good guy lurking around, but Alvis wouldn't have killed Sigurd outside of "He might make her get her memories back and leave me!"). She also, along with Yuria (his quite beloved daughter by her) is all Alvis was thinking about when he died- as one could tell from his final words. Sure his marriage had it's political reasons, but you've got to look past that. (Also: Alvis isn't evil. He does carry out the Battle of Barhara, but outside of that, he's certainly a force for good- although, in the final moments of his life, he has to play the villain to protect his daughter (I will say though, why doesn't he just up and kill Manfroy? That Dastard (Alvis) could take that dastard (Manfroy). (His son, Yurius, on the other hand...))
As far as FE5 goes? RAGE. RAGE. RAGE. Beat it twice (once on Elite, once on Normal), but RAGE... It's certainly harder than FE4. FE4 is deceptive in difficulty.
There's nothing left to lose..! The fight never ends!! I can't face the DARK without you! ...Is the One that can never be.
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