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 Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:52 pm
my definition defeats whatever point I was trying to make now XD
Yes Jesus was a Jew and he was not a Christian but he was a proto-Christian.
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:55 pm
rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Do you even do any research? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Uhh... Judaism as we know it, didn't exist until after 70 CE, the fall of the 2nd temple. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - If that's the case then Christians can use the OT neutral Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' How do you figure that? Judaism stems from many different Hebrew sects. All of these tribes still relied on Mosaic code. They wouldn't be Judaism but they would certainly be Hebrew. Where these sects mainly disagreed on scripture since each sect had their own set of scripture but they were all trace roots back to Moses and Abraham and had a common place of worship, the Temple. After the fall of the 2nd Temple, the Hebrew sects had to reformulate themselves since 1) they didn't have a temple anymore which was essential to worship and 2) deal with the rise of this new movement traced back to Yeshua bin Yosef(sp?) that was highly dualistic and seemed to be attracting all these Gentiles. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Actually Judaism has origins dating back to 1800 BCE. I'm not talking about how "we know Judaism today" that's irrelevant. I'm pretty sure the Jews of then still determined Jewishness by going through the mother to the son in terms of genetics. Judaism 101 Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' So? You are ignoring and not explaining why this means that Gentiles get to use the OT. Maybe the confusion is in the words that I'm using. Here's how I'm using these words. Christianity - A religion that formulated in 325 CE. proto-Christianities - A diverse set of religions that focuses on Jesus as it's primary leader/instructor and contains an element or elements that influenced what became Christianity directly or indirectly. Judaism - A religion that formulated after the Fall of the Second Temple in response to the destruction of the Second Temple and to the proto-Christian movements. Hebrew religions or proto-Judaism. - A diverse set of religions who's sole unifying feature is that they claim to be part of the Mosaic Covenant. Some of these sects went on to influence what became Judaism. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Eh I don't know if there's actual basis in history concerning that. All that I've read states that Judaism was started when Abraham began a covenant with YHVH. Which technically it did. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:56 pm
rmcdra my definition defeats whatever point I was trying to make now XD Yes Jesus was a Jew and he was not a Christian but he was a proto-Christian. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Does this mean I can hit you in the head with my dictionary just because I can? surprised Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:28 pm
Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Eh I don't know if there's actual basis in history concerning that. All that I've read states that Judaism was started when Abraham began a covenant with YHVH. Which technically it did. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Ah okay I see now it seems we are both wrong. What defines Hebrew religions is two Covenants, the Abrahamic Covenant and the Mosaic Covenants. What distinguishes Judaism from other Hebrew Religions is what books they accepted. Example the Sumerians are certainly a Hebrew Religion since they hold to the Torah, but they reject the Nevi'im and the Ketuvim that Judaism accepts. Each Hebrew religion held to the Torah but they differed in accepting other texts and prophets.
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