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Akanishi Makoto
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:22 am


Hypomanic Poet
So one must be constantly learning to achieve enlightenment?
I've been reading through this. Very interesting.

The issue of "enlightenment" isn't so much an achievement as it is getting back something you've lost.

The way we live our life is A vs. B, Black vs. White, This vs. That, etc. We live a very dualistic life and are forced to differentiate between things more than you notice.

What enlightenment "is", isn't an achievement. You don't get anything for being enlightened, and it's not the end of anything. The mindset of enlightenment never went away, it's just clouded by this dualistic mind and this foreground thought process that distracts us.

I'm certain everyone here has seen the Matrix. The opening scene where Morpheus explains "reality" to Neo, is very much true to Buddhism. All we can observe, experience, or relate to, is a product of our senses and thoughts.

Our experiences pile up into a mound, and affect how we think, and how we react to external stimuli. Our ego is this, nothing more than conditioned response, which, essentially, is all we are. Very high functioning Pavlov's dogs.

Your reality is different than my reality, and different than Zoutout's reality. Which is the true reality? We all see things as different entities because of these ideas we have in our heads, and the experiences we have had. The truth is, there is no "reality" in the sense that things aren't as we label them.

Do things exist? Yes and No. Things don't "exist" because that would be labelling them, and forcing them into the dichotomy of "existance vs. non-existance".
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:06 am


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Do things exist? Yes and No. Things don't "exist" because that would be labelling them, and forcing them into the dichotomy of "existance vs. non-existance".


I'm very gald you said that, because I had a very upsetting revelation a few hours ago:

There are the two different splits: The one that says nothing exists, and one that says that the mind exists.
I assume that each sect of Buddhism would have been influenced by a Bodhisvattha(sp?) because how could they start teaching people how to become enlightened if they themselves didn't know?
Anyway, assuming what I just typed is correct, why would the different sects contradict each other?
I doubt there can be more than one Truth, and therefore I got upset and dissilusioned.

Zoutout


Cranium Squirrel
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:37 am


I wouldn't worry about it, Zout, because frankly it always boils down to this:

There are many ways to get to the end result, but the end result is the same. Even if paths seem divergent, they eventually converge and become one. In the end, it's all Buddha-nature, or will become so if enough study is given to it. 3nodding
PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:38 am


Zoutout
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Do things exist? Yes and No. Things don't "exist" because that would be labelling them, and forcing them into the dichotomy of "existance vs. non-existance".


I'm very gald you said that, because I had a very upsetting revelation a few hours ago:

There are the two different splits: The one that says nothing exists, and one that says that the mind exists.
I assume that each sect of Buddhism would have been influenced by a Bodhisvattha(sp?) because how could they start teaching people how to become enlightened if they themselves didn't know?
Anyway, assuming what I just typed is correct, why would the different sects contradict each other?
I doubt there can be more than one Truth, and therefore I got upset and dissilusioned.


Consider this:

There is no Truth, because as Akanishi Makoto said, that would be labeling this Idea as "Truth" and "Untruth" or "Lie", or "False".

Hypomanic Poet


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:52 pm


I'm spacing the name (I have problems with them, I'm sorry...it starts with a J) but that one pupil of Frued did a wonderful explaination of the Id Ego and Super Ego, I suggest you look into it. ^_^
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:13 am


Faeyas
I'm spacing the name (I have problems with them, I'm sorry...it starts with a J) but that one pupil of Frued did a wonderful explaination of the Id Ego and Super Ego, I suggest you look into it. ^_^


It wouldn't happen to be Jung, would it?

Zoutout

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