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Invisible Abomination

PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:49 pm


Wisteria Darling
Quick question:

I was recently reading on and off in the new book "The Unfolding of Language", a new little study on linguistics through the history of language...

There is a "law" on the degeneration of sounds in almost all languages, how certain letter's sounds go naturally into another letter's sound. One example used in the book was the word "hara-kiri". One of the sound laws was that ancient "p" goes to "f" and from there to "h". So theoretically in the past, were Japanese pronouncing "fara" and/or "para"?

Just wondering if you have encountered this in anything?

Most of the changes that would have been represented with that sort of sound change are in texts that are essentially out of my reach right now. From what I've heard (and deduced through some logic) is that in some Nara texts there's things written with a "p" sound. In various romanizations of gods names from the Kojiki and Nihongi, parts of one of Amaterasu's very long names has pikopiko instead of the modern hikohiko. I don't know if that entire thread went to the f-sound in the interrim, but it did transition into the h, with only the hu being pronounced with the slight f.

There's also conjecture on how the long vowels formed with appropriate intermediate pronunciations as well. It seems that the links to the rekishiteki kanazukai weren't as comprehensive as I would have liked, so I'll try to find anything else in my textbooks to illustrate other "sound degenerations" in Japanese from ancient to modern. biggrin

My current textbooks and lectures aren't giving too much insight into the works written back in the earliest days of written Japanese. : ( I'll see if I can find out anything more to answer your question, though. biggrin
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:36 am


Doumanagi Dazaemon
metro_spike
Sounds kinda familiar... ^_^

I began teaching myself Japanese and Korean because we didn't have them as available languages at my school, and now I've picked up Latin, Mandarin, and I learn some basic vocabulary in others.

But I love languages, especially Japanese because I love Japan and I like the way Japanese rolls off the tongue, if that makes sense. I hear that's why people like French, but I'm not as in to the European languages.
I might learn them later though, not ruling it out, you know?
3nodding same here... I love languages too... I always planned on trying my hand at Korean next...


Right on. ^___^

I actually started learning Korean because of a song I heard a long time ago. I heard it again and became very interested, and so I acquired some more Korean songs. I watched a few internet videos(^_^) and decided I wanted to learn it. lol

metro_spike


Doumanagi Dazaemon

PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:50 pm


metro_spike
Doumanagi Dazaemon
metro_spike
Sounds kinda familiar... ^_^

I began teaching myself Japanese and Korean because we didn't have them as available languages at my school, and now I've picked up Latin, Mandarin, and I learn some basic vocabulary in others.

But I love languages, especially Japanese because I love Japan and I like the way Japanese rolls off the tongue, if that makes sense. I hear that's why people like French, but I'm not as in to the European languages.
I might learn them later though, not ruling it out, you know?
3nodding same here... I love languages too... I always planned on trying my hand at Korean next...


Right on. ^___^

I actually started learning Korean because of a song I heard a long time ago. I heard it again and became very interested, and so I acquired some more Korean songs. I watched a few internet videos(^_^) and decided I wanted to learn it. lol
mrgreen Languages r sweet!
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:26 pm


Nu and Tsu --- the perfective auxilliary verbs. Both follow the Ren'youkei.

Uses: 1) Perfective (completeness, if you will); 2) certainty/emphasis

Nu
(MZ) na
(RY) ni
(SS) nu
(RT) nuru
(IZ) nure
(MR) ne

Tsu
(MZ) te
(RY) te
(SS) tsu
(RT) tsuru
(IZ) tsure
(MR) teyo


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Invisible Abomination

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:15 pm


The complete auxilliary verb post will be inserted here!

*in process of finishing it up*
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:12 pm


*Indroduction to Kogo sentence ending particles will go here*


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