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sheshe507

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:07 pm


Shad Woest
I would like to know, from people of all religions, what the soul is and what you think it does.
Personally, I don't believe that there is such a thing.
I think that people are driven by their brains, and kept alive by both the brains and their heart, whereas other people would think that's what the soul is for.
But where does it fit in? Where is it held? What is it for?


The soul is connected to the body in five different ways, to which different rules apply.
Its connection to the body as a fetus in his mother’s womb.

Its connection to the body after a person is born.

Its connection to the body when a person is asleep, when the soul is connected in one way and separated from it in another way.

Its connection to the body in the period between a person's death and the Day of Resurrection, when it has departed from the body and separated from it, but is not separated completely in such a way that there is no connection at all. There are ahaadeeth and reports which indicate that the soul is returned to the body when somebody sends the greeting of salaam to a deceased person. This returning is of a special nature which does not mean that the life is restored to the body before the Day of Resurrection.

Its connection to the body on the Day when bodies will be resurrected. This is the most perfect type of connection to the body, and has no comparison to the previous types, because after that the body will never die, sleep or have anything wrong with it.

When a person is asleep, his soul is in his body and he is alive, although his being alive is not the same as that of a person who is awake, for sleep is comparable to death. Similarly, when a dead person's soul is returned to his body (when the greeting is sent upon him), he is in a state between one who is alive and one who is dead, whose soul is not restored to his body. This is like the case of a sleeping person who is in a state between life and death.

The dualism between the body and soul is very clearly evident in the physical world. The body is subservient and the soul is in charge; however both are indispensable. It is just that the soul is the master while the body is the obedient servant. The body has its rights and its demands upon us. However what worth does the body have without the soul? It is a mere corpse, no matter how powerfully or beautifully it is constructed. If the soul departs from it, it becomes a wasted husk. Its beauty can only be realized in partnership with the soul. the soul is of different parts, it is a unity with all its parts working for one final end, happiness. While the plant soul, for example, serves a specific function, it also serves the powers that are higher than it in rank, the animal powers. Without nourishment, growth and reproduc­tion, the animal powers cannot perform their necessary functions. Similarly, while the function of the animal powers is to have sensation and movement, by performing this function they also promote the functions of the powers above them, the rational ones. The operations of the animal powers, especially those of the senses, are particularly important for the attainment of the final end. The external senses strip the forms from material objects and convey them to the internal senses. The more they are transferred internally, the less mixed with matter do they become. Since the innermost sense they reach is the imagina­tion, they are there in their purest material existence
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:12 pm


Shad Woest
What is the difference between soul and spirit? Aren't they the same?


Soul is the self, and when the soul desires something, it asks the Spirit for power.

The Spirit is a guide with all rules that tells the Soul what are the rewards or punishments of what the Soul desires.

Only when the Soul signs that it accepts these rewards or punishments, then the Spirit is allowed by God to channel the exact required energy to the Body to enact the Soul's desire.

This Soul-to-Spirit-to-Soul-to-Spirit-to-Body communication is faster than anything we may think of so everything we do (move, breath, think, etc.) must go through this process at realtime even if we don't realize it.
This is the meaning of "La hawala wa la quata illa bi Allah" = "No ability-to-transform nor force-to-act but that of Allah's (swt)".

The Soul signs for all deeds, good and evil, and when we die, we will see all of our singnatures in a our own judgement book.

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Artto

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:34 pm


sheshe, do you just make this stuff up?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:36 am


Artto
sheshe, do you just make this stuff up?


This isn't a place to judge a person's personal faith, this is a place to express your personal beliefs and answer or ask questions about other faiths and ideas. If this is what she truly believes, then it's just another example of her faith or her ideals. Weather or not she made it up is irrelevant, seeing as any position you take makes the others become 'made up' in your eyes. (ex. all religions are 'made-up' in the eyes of Atheists, or the Quran was 'made-up' according to Christians/Jews/Pagans/etc.)

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chessiejo

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:07 pm


What function does a rainbow serve?

There is more to life than concrete utility.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:58 pm


Wow, I created this thread roughly two years ago; I didn't expect it to be dug up. o _o"

@Chessie: A rainbow's function is to create skittles and serve as a hiding spot for Leprechaun's gold, of course.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:54 am


Shad Woest
Wow, I created this thread roughly two years ago; I didn't expect it to be dug up. o _o"

@Chessie: A rainbow's function is to create skittles and serve as a hiding spot for Leprechaun's gold, of course.


^ Win.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:33 am


Kusugari
This isn't a place to judge a person's personal faith, this is a place to express your personal beliefs and answer or ask questions about other faiths and ideas.

It's called Debate/Discuss religion. And I'm asking her a question.

Kusugari
If this is what she truly believes, then it's just another example of her faith or her ideals. Weather or not she made it up is irrelevant,

It's not irrelevant, people should have reasons for their beliefs, and should be able to justify them at least on some level. Hiding behind faith is cowardly and shows the frailness of your beliefs.

Kusugari
seeing as any position you take makes the others become 'made up' in your eyes. (ex. all religions are 'made-up' in the eyes of Atheists, or the Quran was 'made-up' according to Christians/Jews/Pagans/etc.)


Religions aren't just made up. They are based on centuries of building belief systems on superstitions and rules that help society function. There's a difference.

Artto


chessiejo

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:55 pm


in the Greek New Testament the word for soul is "psyche", the same word used by Freud.

so what use is your psyche? without going into psychology, i would say that this is the center of who you are, the root of your feelings and your relation to the world.

then, the purpose of the soul would be the purpose of personal identity.

here is an interesting word study: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4njdHTBmJY
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:34 pm


Shad Woest
Wow, I created this thread roughly two years ago; I didn't expect it to be dug up. o _o"

@Chessie: A rainbow's function is to create skittles and serve as a hiding spot for Leprechaun's gold, of course.


i hope my own existence may be nearly as worthwhile as that.

chessiejo

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