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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:42 pm
I have a strange and unusual problem and it's bothering me. My best friend has offered some help but I really want to make sure I'm not alone in this, or that at least I'm not doing something wrong by feeling this way.
I have this feeling in my heart, that surfaces rarely. And as I began to read Romans and hearing Paul discuss Jews and Gentiles, it surfaced again. The only way I can explain it is... I wish I was ethnically Jewish...
This is the oddest, weirdest and most unusual wish I've ever heard of, and I really don't know what to think that some part of me is searching for some way to, even though I'm a gentile by birth, make some legitimate connection between myself and Israel.
I convinced my family to celebrate Hanukkah for a short time as a child which I enjoyed immensely, and I will probably end up naming nearly all of my children with Hebrew names from the Bible because of their superior sound and meaning.
This is probably the weirdest advice you've ever given, but I hope you can give me some advice.
What is your opinion regarding my dilemma.
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:32 am
I think the question you should be trying to figure out is why you have this desire in the first place. What is the attraction to being ethnically Jewish? If there were any conditions to being ethnically Jewish that were less than favorable would you still want it? I don't mean this out of rudeness but more of questions to help you figure things out.
It should be noted, that to go under proper conversion, one cannot believe that Jesus is God. Such beliefs are considered idolatrous in Judaism and no Rabbi will convert you if you hold to such beliefs. Next, Rabbis will make you jump through hoops before they will accept to teach you. Are willing to go through this?
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:58 am
rmcdra I think the question you should be trying to figure out is why you have this desire in the first place. What is the attraction to being ethnically Jewish? If there were any conditions to being ethnically Jewish that were less than favorable would you still want it? I don't mean this out of rudeness but more of questions to help you figure things out. It should be noted, that to go under proper conversion, one cannot believe that Jesus is God. Such beliefs are considered idolatrous in Judaism and no Rabbi will convert you if you hold to such beliefs. Next, Rabbis will make you jump through hoops before they will accept to teach you. Are willing to go through this? I agree with Rob here. You should get to the bottom of exactly why you feel so drawn to it. ...and, you might remember that there are 10 lost tribes, and God told Abraham that his progeny would be as numerous as the stars in the sky. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the modern world have a bit Jewish decent within their family tree... ...but, that doesn't necessarily mean much, especially if you can't pinpoint why exactly you feel so drawn to Hebraic traditions. It could be a conviction on your life, or it could just be a personal fancy (like people who really want to believe they are descended from angels, or vampires, or elves, etc). As a Christian though, we have been accepted and chosen to be a part of the body of Christ. We have been given the power to overcome sin as defined by the Law through the New Covenant. That is the most important fact in the world. It wasn't extended strictly to Isreal, and in fact, the Chosen as a general whole rejected it. God knew it would happen, so you may find solace in the fact that as a gentile, you were chosen to have this knowledge and the ability to accept it.
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:08 am
Oh...
...and I don't think it's all that weird.
I actually used to have a similar wish. I really wished I was special enough to be Chosen instead of adopted. LOL As I got older I realized that was the true reason for my wish.
Yet, if this is not your reason, you really should pray about why. It could be a conviction, or it could be that the understanding you need for your life would come through observing Judaic traditions.
I still feel drawn to Hebraic tradition, and sometimes I am convicted to observe points of the Law (most usually the hard ones that I would just assume I never had read). It is usually God's way of showing me a point in my character that I need to work on, or His way of reiterating that the Law is not obsolete when the modern messages of Grace begin to blur my sense of what is acceptable and what is not.
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:10 am
Eltanin Sadachbia Oh... ...and I don't think it's all that weird. I actually used to have a similar wish. I really wished I was special enough to be Chosen instead of adopted. LOL As I got older I realized that was the true reason for my wish. Yet, if this is not your reason, you really should pray about why. It could be a conviction, or it could be that the understanding you need for your life would come through observing Judaic traditions. I still feel drawn to Hebraic tradition, and sometimes I am convicted to observe points of the Law (most usually the hard ones that I would just assume I never had read). It is usually God's way of showing me a point in my character that I need to work on, or His way of reiterating that the Law is not obsolete when the modern messages of Grace begin to blur my sense of what is acceptable and what is not. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven. Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Except much of the OT, minus the Ten Commandments are Moses' Law not God's law. neutral Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!' Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:12 pm
I think its that Jesus was Jewish, and all of Christianity has Jewish roots. Part of me feels my experience of Christianity would be improved if I adopted some of the Hebraic traditions. But I guess I have this concept in my mind that being a Gentile Christian, I wouldn't be welcome to performing some of their rituals and traditions...
I often have problems with feeling like I don't belong or that I wouldn't be welcome, so this is not a new problem for me.
To Rob; The attraction is a desire to connect to the Jewish ancestry of Christianity, and a sense of being part of God's Chosen people. I guess just the sense of feeling "Chosen" by God is what I would cherish the most about being ethnically Jewish. And, I suppose I would, but I'm not quite sure what you mean by less than favorable conditions.
And I don't want really to convert to Judaism. I'm a devout Christian, and I wouldn't give it up for anything. But I'm aware that there are people who are ethnically Jewish but follow other religions or no religion at all.
To Eltanin; I guess conviction is the best word for it. I will start praying since I don't know where it comes from, but it's something that inwardly I've always felt ever since I started getting serious about my faith in God. But I supposed it is just a fascination and great appreciation for Jewish, Hebraic tradition and Christianity's roots in it. Particularly all the Jewish literature in the Bible, and the Jewish scholarly tradition of discussing and commenting on scripture.
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:50 pm
@1upMushroomCloud: If you feel it helps you get closer to God then I don't see any problem with practicing some of the Jewish rituals though you'd have to understand that these rituals will have a totally different meaning looking through a Christian lens. Just understand that practicing them doesn't make you Jewish and God isn't going to require it from ya since that's not covenant with him wink . I'm like incorporating rituals in daily devotions personally so I know where you're coming from on that. The title of Chosen people in the Christian context means that they were the first people given favor by YHVH to prepare the way for Christ to come so everyone could be included in the World to Come. If Church tradition is true, Christianity is more based off of the Noachide Laws, the Laws given to Noah that apply to both Hebrews and Gentiles and adds in the 10 Commandments to give a more solid foundation since the Noachide Laws are pretty vague and debated among Rabbis even today still. By less than favorable I mean becoming Jewish means a whole life style change. No more cheese burgers, no more mixed fabric clothing, no more shellfish,... 613 laws are quite a bit to adhere to 613 Mitzot. Most of these are already in Christianity, just severely lessened or no longer applicable. Also you kinda need a Jewish community to understand the context of these laws since different communities have different levels of strictness and interpretations concerning these laws. Edit: Some Christians like myself would argue that only 10 of these Laws apply at all. ninja You might want to look at your Gentile roots and see what traditions your ancestors had and how you can fit them into the context of Christian worship. Plus it's not stealing since it comes from your heritage. A book I would personally recommend and you might be able to get it from Inter-Library Loan is "Meditations on the Tarot" by Valentin Tomberg. If you can look past is blatant pro-Catholic stance (not that there's any wrong with Catholicism, it's just obvious by his enthusiasm that he had recently converted) and ironically his references to reincarnation, you might find some things of value in it in finding a way to feel that deeper connection or at least a clue maybe where you could start looking. Just remember the Kingdom is inside you, it doesn't lie in any foreign treasure. If it helps you grow closer to Christ, go for it. If it drives you away from Christ or becomes a burden, drop it.
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:32 pm
Dear Rob;
Thank you very, very much for all your helpful advice. This is all something I'll definitely take into consideration and start looking into. I'll try incorporating some of the traditions I'm particularly interested in and see if they give be a better sense of fulfillment in my need to be right with God.
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:39 pm
I'll admit 'tis a strange problem I've never thought about. I don't think it really matters, really, Jesus died for us all. Myself, I don't really see the Jews in any better light than Christians, Nor Muslims, nor Hindus, nor anyone else. I never read anywhere that Jesus died for anything but the sins of all. He loved us all, just the way we are, the way we were born, the way we grow up, the way we make mistakes, everything. We are worth the world to Him as we are and will be.
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