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Death Penalty: please read first post before voting |
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:12 pm
I put mixed ground because I belive in giving people chances, but if they do something completely horrible like genocide, well, they had their chance with the fist person they killed. Also, I believe that if a Justice gives someone the death penalty, then they have the right. They stand for the people and fight for our safety. Murderers and rapes(of any kind) are the crimes that should be most harshly punished.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:12 am
Hello, I know this is a very old thread, but I wanted to say my opinion on this theme. I find this an important issue and everybody should think about this theme over and over again.
I'm totally against the death penalty: I could take Kant for my argumentation, but he has been already quoted in this thread, so I like to state something else I believe in. We are humans, if someone dies, get's killed or murdered we cannot give them their life again. We cannot say: "this person derserves to live, so i make him alive" (I really hope this will stay so forever, humans are already messing too much with nature...) We cannot do anything about it, sentencing the killer to death will not bring the beloved person back to life. The fact that we cannot give life to the ones we want to live, takes the right of deciding over ending others peoples lifes away from us.(to make myself clear: I don't talk about giving birth to a new life here, I talk about already existing life, human especially.) As long as we can't make people alive again we are not to take other peoples life's. We have no right of saying: This person deserves to live, this not. This is a moral law I believe in, because it's a law for me this goes for all situations. If someone kills my mother, I might wish him dead, but I know I have no right kill him. Just because this person acted against morality, I should not become unmoral as well.
From the buddhist perspective, the death penalty is totally against my belief of not killing other being by will. We are not to harm any other being, when sentencing someone to death, you had they choice of not doing it. Through this you become a killer even, if you are not the performing it in person.
These are my personal beliefs and views, you don't have to share them, I just ask you to think about them and post your own. As I said I consider it an important issue and think this thread should become "alive" again...
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:05 pm
What if the person was mentally ill? What if they were a child? What if the person murdered had murdered someone in the murderer's family? What if they were innocent? Death ends our ability to communicate with people. Death denies people their one greatest gift on this earth- a gift that should not be taken away. So it costs money to keep someone in prison. So what? It's just money. Money is worth a lot less than life. How can we decide when someone deserves to live or deserves to die? There are a lot of people that we think deserve to die- and there are a lot of people who we think deserve to live. We can only pass judgement on those who are still living, and once they're gone you can't get them back.
I'm so proud to live in Canada, a country where there is no death penalty.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:02 pm
I just realized that I elaborated on Kant's categorical imperative incorrectly. The way that I have done so sets it up so that the categorical imperative is an argument from the consequentialist ethical perspective. This is not the way that Kant would've wanted it to be taken. Instead, Kant argued that we should follow it because it is logically correct, which is regardless of the consequence that one wants.
That is to say, for example, we should not litter in the Grand Canyon because it would exhaust the purpose that it serves. Meaning, if we litter in the Grand Canyon, then we must assume that everyone else will. If everyone litters in the Grand Canyon, then that defeats the purpose that the Grand Canyon serves (to look pretty). It is not the case that we decide to not litter in the Grand Canyon because we do not want to face the consequence of everyone littering in the Grand Canyon which would make it look like s**t.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:36 pm
I am 100% against it. While there really isn't a rational reason for me to be, I hate death. Even if someone kills one person, even 100, the way I see it, it's still one more life being lost to add to that total.
Then again, murderers must have something to fear.
Oh dammit all..
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:19 pm
This might sound a bit offensive, but I think they should take every murderer and child rapist, throw them on a deserted island thousands of miles fromany sort of land with no supplies except weapons. I don't have anything agianst the death pealty as long as it's used properly. If someone goes out and uzis out a shopping center, killing at least 20-50 people, send him to Wesir, let Him administer a really appropriate justice for the guy in the afterlife. And if you want a really practical reason, what if the guy gets out and starts back up killing agian because of predjudice or whatever and puts you and your family, your CHILDREN in danger? And I agree with toxic. Life should mean Life. And not everyone CAN be rehabed. Some people are too sick, twisted or closed minded that it goes in one ear and out the other, and then they use it to get out and start back up agian, and it has happened, more than you might want to realise. Those who can be rehabed, all the better, but not everyone can. And the system can be used, abused and loop-holed. Just looking at this in a realistic sense.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:45 am
As a point of cynicism, I agree with you. You don't want to be a part of our society? You get tossed on the Island, Australia-style.
However, in all seriousness, the death penalty has one little hitch in it, and I'll embolden it for emphasis:
In order for you to be for the death penalty, you must agree with the idea that, under any circumstance, it is morally okay to kill another human being.
If you don't believe this, then stop reading right now, as you're anti-death-penalty. Period.
However, if you answered yes to the previous question, I have this for you: I don't even trust the government to send a letter to my grandmother, let alone the authority to murder someone. The death penalty infers WAY too much initial trust in government, and we can all see where that's going right now.
Third, and most importantly, the innocents. the Death Penalty Information Center claims that 200 convicts have been exonerated from Death Row since the 1970s. If one innocent person is killed by the state, then the supporter of the death penalty becomes a murderer and thus, by his/her own logic, deserves to die. That's the paradox of the death penalty.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:11 pm
the problem with the death penalty is that it's so final. And there have been so many people who have been on death row and have been exonerated of the crime that put them there. A lot have been exonerated thanks to DNA testing. Sacco and Vanzetti is a famous case from the 20's or 30's that got me interested in the death penalty. And interested in being a criminal lawyer. I love Clarence Darrow, one of my heroes. Anyway, there's also a play that was made into a movie entitled The Exonerated about five or six people who were on death row for crimes they didn't commit.
Ever heard of the WM3, the West Memphis Three? They are three teenagers in Arkansas who have been jailed for 14 years for killing and mutilating three 8 year olds. they have denied doing it all this time, though one of them did confess. He has an IQ of 70 and was interrogated for `12 hours by police, so the confession is somewhat questionable. I don't know if they did it or not. But a lot of people believe they are innocent. And remember the Lacrosse players accused of raping that dancer and they didn't do it. so, is it possible that the court system doesn't work? Obviously.
There's a line: better to let a guilty man go free than to let an innocent man go to prison. Problem is that in some places in the U.S., that's not true.
But at the same time, if you kill my brother or some friends, you deserve to die. So does Sue Smith, who undeniably killed her small children by drowning them. Certain serial killers who definitely did the crime should be put to death. There are people who were put into prison for murder that are still killing peopole in prison. These people deserve to die. Sorry.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:31 am
I find it interesting how people so rarely look past the crime itself, regardless of what it is, to see the human being who carried it out underneath that. What we want to kill and destroy should not be the person who did it, but the crime itself. We want the crime to have never happened, to just dissapear. Who did it often is unimportant and doesn't really cross our minds other than for getting revenge. As if killing them somehow makes their action dissapear. It doesn't. It creates yet another murderous action that some other person somewhere is going to wish didn't happen. Then perchance that person might want revenge, misplacing that anger on the person and not the act itself. So the cycle keeps going and going and going. Agree or disagree with the death penalty, that's the message the penalty sends. Punishing a crime using the crime itself perpetuates the use of violence as a tool. If we really want to erradicate that, we need to be pacifists.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 2:09 pm
I am against the death penalty. I mean to kill a killer would make us no better then them..I am NOT saying we woudl be evil, but we woudl lower ourselves to their level, and its pretty hipacritical ( spelling) . But this is just my opinion.
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