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Yukari Clepsydra

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:55 pm


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lol youre so full of s**t. over the past several years he has pushed many superstars. If sheamus were to get buried it wouldn matter. He lacks in ring ability and I find his gimmick to be weak. HHH is the only reason he ever got pushed in the first place



Didn't Umaga get buried by Trips?
Orton - First WHC reign
Batista - During Evolution
Cena - During their feuds, after Cena lost the title to RVD


Yes they all became stars in their own right (cept Umaga he became worm food) but they all got buried under Trips.
I can list countless names of people Trips has buried if you want me to go into detail.

HHH put over Cena because Cena became the overwhelming fan favorite and Cena puts asses in seats and moves merchandise like no other.

Sheamus was put over because he was the young up-and-comer that fit Vince's mold of the wrestler he wants spotlighted. Granted, Sheamus proved worthy of his spot. Good brawler with good mic skills and charisma.

The only reason Big Dave was put over by Trips was because they were good buddies behind the scenes. Any wrestling fan with eyes could have seen what a giant disaster Batista was and is in the ring.

Orton didn't need to be put over by HHH, he had the ability to do so by himself. No denying that.

Now then:

Kozlov, main evented with Trips and Jeff Hardy, now he's sipping Tea with Santino

Regal - Was slated to feud with HHH, lost to HHH got caught with drugs, suspended never came back to the top since.

RVD (Invasion Era) buried by Trips and should've won the WWE title but never did because HHH had a firm grip on it.

Big Daddy V - After losing to HHH we haven't seen him since yes? I KNOW V was Mabel and Viscera but as BDV he was eaten alive by Trips

(King) Booker T, Buried him at Wrestlemania XIX and when HHH came back after Summerslam buried Booker, he never got main evented and went to TNA *see more below*

Owen Hart, had several matches with HHH. Mostly lost all of them, never got a chance to gun for the WWF title after being buried. *sigh*

HHH and HBK buried the Spirit Squad. Though in return we get Dolph Ziggler... like 2 years later.

Kenny who was the most prominent of the the Squad went to obscurity in the Tag Division


There is a reason behind all this HHH hate and it's not illogical. In WCW, he was not given a chance for one reason. He sucks undeniably because he does the same s**t over and over again. He can barely wrestle. I wouldn't call his 6 moves of doom (2 of which he copped from Ric Flair and one he stole from the late and great Chris Benoit) breathtaking and innovative. Wrestlers with more talent and presence in the tip of their pinky finger have been pushed aside and released. But not him.

He had his good moments, but even those moments have not made him deserving of the fame, success, and the financial rewards he got. His only real talent is brown nosing Vince, and marrying Stephanie to solidify his job within WWE. And that is the real reason of why he is where he is right now. And a lot of wrestling fans can see that.

Irrational and illogical hate? When you look at the facts and compare him to other wrestlers, it all becomes rational and logical.



Now MY point is keeping HHH away is a good thing because newer stars can take up the spot light. We'd probably see mid carders like Shelton be world champion if it wasn't for HHH's un needed title wins. He's probably earned five of them to be perfectly frank, Morrison probably would've been champion by now. Matt Hardy, I can continue on with the names if you want.

Hell, I will link you to a post about Trips intentionally trying to bury Cena via his promo: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080617112159AADXTmh

He once had this promo in 2008 where in he totally buried Cena and called him a poor wrestler, now why would the Son in Law rubbish a person who his Father In Law endorses, clearly he is the face so why would Trips bury him?

If you read Mick Foey's book called "Hardcore Diaries" you will see that he exactly said the same thing

Back in 2002 when Vince wanted to put the title back on Kurt, Trips said that he was too SMALL to realistically hold the title and it is a well known fact that Gerard Brisco suggested a Shoot Fight between the two which Trips agreed to. Why else would Kurt say that the Sissy Trips could kiss his a@#. Then Billy Gunn or Mr. A$$ too said that he was tired of the company being run by Trips who took the decisions and screwed and made performers, which kinda does prove that Trips does at times takes quite a few decisions which might go against him

Trips has also known to have had a lot of hate against the Rock and his popularity and that is one of the reasons why these two never got along as back in 1998 when both were on the same level he wanted to go out on top

Also! see if you can get that promo between Booker-T and Trips before Mania-19! Trips clearly said words that were uncalled for and he did go to a huge extent to bury him as a performer

H has been trying to sabotage Jericho for years. They even duked it out verbally in 2005. Even Edge called Triple H out on RAW out of character saying that Trips goes down on his knees for Vince.

So yea on the whole I do respect Trips but I can't agree that the hate on him is irrational, his Ego does come in between


Soooo
BAM, you got owned.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:57 pm


Also:

DX pretty much buried Legacy. I know, Legacy won at Breaking Point, but lost twice, at Summerslam and HIAC during that feud and lost any momentum they gained from BP win.

Also, while he did much more for Sheamus than anyone to date, I wouldn´t exactly call it putting over. He wanted to help his friend, but wasn´t willing to lose to him at Wrestlemania and when he finally agreed to lose at ER, it was after pre-match sneak attack. Not exactly way to make Sheamus look strong. At same PPV, Randy Orton lost cleanly in Extreme Rules match to Jack Swagger, and did much better job at putting over young guy.


So.. Owned again.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:12 pm


I'm a fan of trips and i haven't always been but his biggest asset is the fact that he made friends with some of the biggest names in the business when he started hence the cliq.. but if he was a crappy performer he wouldnt have been able to make it this far people would have seen through his fasad (SIC) years ago.. but he can put on some really good matches now that hes getting older he only has his moves of doom.. which honestly everyone has... as far as burying people go hes triple H hes been the face of the WWE after Hogan left i mean yea we had austin and the rock but we all know trips has been there forever.. as far as helping people why do you think they put trips and cena together so soon? trips was actually helping cena wrestle crazy right? but hes a smart business person he knows he cant wrestle forever so he's helping people cena was one of them yea he might not like the guy but who really does? thats the thing he could have easily buried cena and not looked the other way im sure he could have found a way around it by having steph complain about cena or something... but cena kept trying... this isnt about cena so back to trips... he's had some great runs and fueds and he helped bring HBK back for a few good years...the winding of his career wasnt so great.. but all in all trips is getting old hes probably going to have one more title run which everyone will love and hes got a great eye for talent he tried to help koslov but he couldnt get over sheamus got over in a big way played the best kind of heel im going to attack you before and after matches to beat you down.. remember they did the same thing to DX when they slammed trips' head into the door trying to give him a concussion when they faced the spirit squad? and honestly the spirit squad was crap and i didnt like any of them personally and ziggles is the shining star of that crap pile at least he was humble went back to developmental and got better... all in all i dont think triple h hasnt buried anyone recently but hes got a shady pass but if your banging the bosses daughter and he actually likes you your going to get away with alot albiet fair or not.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:12 am


Reading all of this made me sleepy.

DankTectonics


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:17 am


Yukari Clepsydra
Also:

DX pretty much buried Legacy. I know, Legacy won at Breaking Point, but lost twice, at Summerslam and HIAC during that feud and lost any momentum they gained from BP win.

Also, while he did much more for Sheamus than anyone to date, I wouldn´t exactly call it putting over. He wanted to help his friend, but wasn´t willing to lose to him at Wrestlemania and when he finally agreed to lose at ER, it was after pre-match sneak attack. Not exactly way to make Sheamus look strong. At same PPV, Randy Orton lost cleanly in Extreme Rules match to Jack Swagger, and did much better job at putting over young guy.


So.. Owned again.


Jeez kid you think you know so much yet nearly all the examples you gave were a joke.

Im not going to waste my time picking apart what you attempted to use as solid examples but I will point out a few just for mere humor. Your personal dislike for HHH is obviously influencing your opinion and if you really wanna cast blame I would advise you to cast it towards the creative team that controlled what was going on during all those years just as much if not more than any wrestler who people claim to have a hold on what happens for this and that reason.

Back to my point...

Ill just go one by one and point out the obvious

Umaga was not a credible enough wrestler to be in the spotlight. He was much like Khali and after his worth quickly ran out he was going to get taken down some pegs

Ortons first little run as Champ was very much premature and was really just a way for HHH to turn Heel and to set Evolution apart which gave Orton and Batista time to run on there own and eventually both become multiple time champions when they were actually ready to do so

Sheamus really ******** bores me to be honest. Bad mic skills, his gimmick is really not that good either. I could go and be the "Italion Boxer" and be about as generic as his gimmick. He shouldve never been a main eventer honestly and should be gratedful HHH helped him get to that point

Dont even get me started on Cena. He was a decent heel in his early days but he has always been a joke in the ring and his mic abilities are completely cheesy as s**t. He appeals to the young crowd that has aided in destroying when wrestling was awesome in the 90's. Cena is part of the problem with the WWE today and I could give a laundry list of good wrestlers from years ago and even today that outshine him in the ring so much that is ridiculous

Sure they became stars in their own right and s**t but you gotta pay dues and earn your way to the top and its gunna mean losing and getting s**t on here and there on the way up. it happens and wrestlers time and time again have mentioned that

Ill give you credit for mentiong Cena and why HHH put him over but hes bringing in alot of types of people who are ruining wrestling with the OG bullshit and so forth...everyones should know more examples on that without me saying so

Now Im well aware you have agreed on some of the views of what I have already rehashed but Im scrolling down on your post because I didn feel like reading it all first, for the record once again Orton was not ready to be champion the first time and Ive already went over that in depth

Kozlov is just like so many big guys that come in and get the whole IM so strong s**t we have seen so many times over the years. he wasnt a terrible wrestler for a big guy and I liked his pressence he brought but there wasn enough to the character to make him worth while so obviously you see where that gets him.

BDV....I dont even think i need to comment on him. Over weight and a joke of a wrestler.

I skipped RVD intentionally because it should be obvious to everyone by now that all ECW and WCW guys during the invasion were going to get buried for the most part with very few exceptions. The reason I waited to mention RVD is because Booker is in the same boat here and was first buried by The Rock when he made the whole "Who are you?" comment to a 5 time champion. This was also the reason Sting never came to the WWE. Blame HHH all you want but in the end no one from the Invasion era outside of WWE was going to get put on too high of a pedestal

Owen Hart I will agree with but I will not put blame on HHH. He was an amazing wrestler who never got what he truely deserved after the Hart foundation fell apart but DX was so huge at that point that it was nearly impossible for anyone to touch them. I may love DX from back then but it wasn completely fair to other superstars of that time, yet DX brought in the money so they ruled the business

The spirit squad was a joke and a pathetic attempt to bring some guys that had some talent into the industry. You can blame that on whoever came up with the idea in the first place to bring those guys in. They deserved to be buried

Here is where you express your hate for HHH and atleast give some valid points that he has never been an amazing wrestler and your right but he has however always been good at selling and has been a consistant solid worker and has paid his dues over the years to be where he is today. He took backseat to HBK for years before he finally got to where he is today. Even with Stone cold and Rock who arent much better and werent any better in the ring at those times got put over him majority of the time and yet his continued paying dues. He may not deserve some of the things he has gotten over the years but he is a good thing for the company and a positive addition to helping out with the creative team that sorely needs guidance.

Now you mention a few good performers like Shelton, and Morrison who I may agree have the in ring talent to be on top but sometimes the creative team doesn make it happen which is why I hate them and also to blame. They still had their flaws in mic skill and a few bad decisions for gimmicks that may have contributed to why they never stayed up top but it aint HHH to blame either way. Matt Hardy on the other hand has never been good without Jeff and is not World champion material at all especially not in the ring.

HHH calling Cena a poor wrestler years ago...hell it may have been a little unprofessional but its the damn truth. Cena has never been a good wrestler where as HHH used to be a pretty damn good one. I'll agree that his prime is over now but hes still better than Cena in the ring.

As far as his beef between Billy and Kurt, Idk what the truths are there but I have heard Angle is a bit of an a*****e himself so who knows what the backstory is on that. You dont and neither do I.

HHH hating the Rock I can understand. Personally I love the Rock on the mic, absolutely brillant, however in the ring he could sell pretty well but I never felt like he was impressive in the ring, nor do I with SCSA. HHH may have been jealous of the fame and fan base Rock had but I can see legit reasons to dislike him.

HHH has had moments for sure where his ego has been an issue and Jericho is a good example. Jericho has never gotten what he truely deserved in the company and he is one of the absolute best all around wrestlers and entertainers the WWE has ever had, period.

Now you cant rant on and on in your mind that I got owned or whatever gay s**t kids say now days but the fact remains that although you have some valid points that I'll agree with you really should have left alot of those wrestlers off the list cuz they never deserved where they got in the company or they just dont make the cut between being a mid carder or main eventer
PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:28 am


grandkinglink
I'm a fan of trips and i haven't always been but his biggest asset is the fact that he made friends with some of the biggest names in the business when he started hence the cliq.. but if he was a crappy performer he wouldnt have been able to make it this far people would have seen through his fasad (SIC) years ago.. but he can put on some really good matches now that hes getting older he only has his moves of doom.. which honestly everyone has... as far as burying people go hes triple H hes been the face of the WWE after Hogan left i mean yea we had austin and the rock but we all know trips has been there forever.. as far as helping people why do you think they put trips and cena together so soon? trips was actually helping cena wrestle crazy right? but hes a smart business person he knows he cant wrestle forever so he's helping people cena was one of them yea he might not like the guy but who really does? thats the thing he could have easily buried cena and not looked the other way im sure he could have found a way around it by having steph complain about cena or something... but cena kept trying... this isnt about cena so back to trips... he's had some great runs and fueds and he helped bring HBK back for a few good years...the winding of his career wasnt so great.. but all in all trips is getting old hes probably going to have one more title run which everyone will love and hes got a great eye for talent he tried to help koslov but he couldnt get over sheamus got over in a big way played the best kind of heel im going to attack you before and after matches to beat you down.. remember they did the same thing to DX when they slammed trips' head into the door trying to give him a concussion when they faced the spirit squad? and honestly the spirit squad was crap and i didnt like any of them personally and ziggles is the shining star of that crap pile at least he was humble went back to developmental and got better... all in all i dont think triple h hasnt buried anyone recently but hes got a shady pass but if your banging the bosses daughter and he actually likes you your going to get away with alot albiet fair or not.


Agreed, I honestly will forever hate WWE for the way HBK retired with two mania loses in a row to the same person. He deserved better than that but its in the past now

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