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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:10 pm

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And Antoine Dodson is not the rare case. A lot of new rappers from Charles Hamilton, Fifty Tyson, Every hipster rap artist with the word kid in their names to even the rappers who made the Dougie dance have all been you tube Sensations turned mainstream artist. Even the chick who made can I smell your d**k is an mainstream rap artist.

I don't understand how having some buzz makes you mainstream.

You said Charles Hamilton.. LOL.

And Fifty Tyson... also LOL.

Having some buzz doesn't make you mainstream.

But whatever... mainstream rap is not of a lesser quality than underground rap. Most underground stuff I hear is wack. Either those dudes try too hard with their rhymes.. or their beats are garbage... or both. And I only think to myself "okay now I know why this dude is where he is... limited appeal (if any)."

At least with mainstream artists .. whether you like them or not.. you UNDERSTAND the appeal. You see why they work and why they have success. And no.. it's not just because of a simple club/dance track. We can check the #1 albums of whatever recent years and see that.

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:04 am

Mr Crawley

This whole "old school rap was innocent and respectful" mantra is complete bullshit.

You can disrespect a woman without cursing. You can do it with sentences and a ego-driven mindset. And rap has always catered to ego-driven mindset.

But I'm not doing that to say the song is trash. I'm doing it to point out that the same THEMES run true in rap today.

Less censored? Yes.. but the name of the game hasn't changed at all.

True. The genre itself was doom to fail because the generation that created it was also doomed to fail. Hip-hop was created out of a void it was never meant to be uplifting like Soul or even Jazz were in their time. That's why when you do get the positive artist out there they get tagged with the neo-soul or R&B/Hip-hop labels. Hip-hop has always been about ego and as the late great James Brown would say talkin' loud but sayin' nothing. My point was at least back then it was a tad more classy and you could understand what people were saying. Everything sounds like auto-tunes now.

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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:10 am

Autotune has been dead for a while now with respect to rap.

And it wasn't "classier". What you heard on the radio may have been "classier". But really the only way rap has changed is that censorship has changed. Dance/Party tracks have always been extremely popular to hear on the radio.

The less restrictive the censorship the more that is simply allowed to be said on the radio.

But rap is... the same as it ever was except the bar for the supposedly talented MC has been lowered.

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:28 am

Mr Crawley

Autotune has been dead for a while now with respect to rap.

And it wasn't "classier". What you heard on the radio may have been "classier". But really the only way rap has changed is that censorship has changed. Dance/Party tracks have always been extremely popular to hear on the radio.

The less restrictive the censorship the more that is simply allowed to be said on the radio.

But rap is... the same as it ever was except the bar for the supposedly talented MC has been lowered.

Yeah see I grew up listening to Run DMC and the like. Mainly artist that were actually trying to uplift people and educate the masses. Not out to make a quick buck and act a damn buffoon. No way in hell would stuff like "Fight the Power" or "Princess of the Posse" would get the same airplay as much as some of this other crap. Also no before all the radio airwaves were brought up by mega corps we actually did have decent tracks that were le shock the same as the actual LP on the cassette tape. (and later on the CD) Don't know were you getting your info from but I lived it thru that era.

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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:01 pm

Do I have to go pull some Run DMC lyrics?

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:39 pm

Mr Crawley

Do I have to go pull some Run DMC lyrics?

As long as I can post some gucci mane and flo rida featuring other artists I couldn't begin to spell correctly enough to Google to compare. Also what I think many people are failing to understand that back in the day the artist owned, produced, and wrote their own music. I fully believe that nowadays a bunch of affluent white males that have BA in marketing and other business degrees are writing these lyrics and pulling all the strings. This is just like the downfall of Black comedy only it actually went backwards. These kids are being controlled while their forefathers and mothers were actually in control of the music. Till Biggie and 2pac killed anyway but that's another story.....

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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:41 pm

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Mr Crawley

Do I have to go pull some Run DMC lyrics?

As long as I can post some gucci mane and flo rida featuring other artists I couldn't begin to spell correctly enough to Google to compare.

You could do that but like I said. Old school rap is not this pristine clean cut image with no vulgarity or whatever and it was only ever about preaching good moral values that you keep trying to paint it as.

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:18 am

Mr Crawley

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Mr Crawley

Do I have to go pull some Run DMC lyrics?

As long as I can post some gucci mane and flo rida featuring other artists I couldn't begin to spell correctly enough to Google to compare.

You could do that but like I said. Old school rap is not this pristine clean cut image with no vulgarity or whatever and it was only ever about preaching good moral values that you keep trying to paint it as.

That's what I'm saying as well. However, the issue I have is back in the day they were dumb to be dumb and had choice to do so. These days they are dumb because they HAVE to be because some suit that has a degree tells them too. That's the issue. Hell look at oh Mr.Clean Will Smith and this song he wrote:

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This is a story I'll never forget
about the day my new car got hit
it caught me off guard cause it happened so quick
when I heard the crash I got mad as hell
cruising down the highway fast not slow
ninety miles an hour in my 5.0
people waving at me cause they know who I am
alpine stero blasting a jam
put the top down said my girlfriend
then my damn hat blew off in the wind
I got kinda mad cause it's the hat I just bought
I shoulda put her out it was all her fault
day was friday date was ten
my girl was looking good on a strem
she smacked my hand when I put it on her rear
said hit me again and I'll break your wrist
that day I dressed all in white
takin' my girl to Palm Springs for the night
I was hoping I could find a short cut
I was tired plus I had a rash on my butt
there was this lady in a pinto coup
'bout 90 years old I could tell by the droop
driving off fast borderline insane
glass so thick couldn't stay in her lane
I swerved left then I swerved right
she was still tailgating me too damn tight
to the left lane I tried to switch
then you saw my blinker b***h

we both pulled off on the side of the road
I was hot ready to explode
the only thing stopping me from breaking her nose
is I was 21 and she was 90 years old
then the police came turn the lights off
the lady started cryin' and the cop got soft
the cop said ah it'll be ok
wrinkled old bag lookin' like a charpe
I said wait what's going on cap'
her car's fine my car is wrecked
then I saw what happened in the crash
her dentures came out her mouth and got stuck in the dash
you hit me I didn't hit you
stop holding your neck lady you can't sue
it's your fault you caused all this
you saw my blinker b***h

Wednesday October the fourth
that's when we got our day in court
that lady destroyed my case
she came in a wheelchair and a neck brace
I jumped up I said you must be jokin'
come on judge her neck ain't broken
well I'll be damned
wrinkled old bag started cryin' on the stand
the balif grabbed me slammed me on the ground
judge said boy you'd better calm down
aren't you one of them damn rap singers
yeah then I gave him the finger
judge held me in contempt of court
for givin' him the finger and things of that sort
anything to say before you're dismissed
just one you saw my blinker b***h

Ageism, sexism, and materialism all in one song? Shockingly by American favorite rapper. Lover of white America and Hollywood studios? Damn! Again this genre was kind of failed from the get go. You can grow good at out poison seeds

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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:54 am

Mr Crawley

You know, the thing about underground rap... is that anyone can do it.

There is no bar or qualification to be an underground rapper. There are really no standards when compared to mainstream rap which .. whether you realize it or not... has very strict standards. Marketability, Image, radio playability, relevance to current trends.. and so on.. and so forth.

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Thats right if it doesnt say slap a hoe in the song at least 3 times then it's deffinatley not going to get a platinum, thats for sure 3nodding

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:52 pm

Just honestly speaking, to the lowest scribble on the paper to the Mona Lisa. Rap is an art. Whether it is Antoine Dodson to 2pac, its still art. Someone is still going to like, people are still going to bump it some where on some speakers.

Music dictates our moods. While I like the underground stuff when I wanna feel awesome, to listening to Nicki Minaj because I fee like singing. All of the things have their different appeals. It really doesn't matter if they are mainstream or underground to me.

There is no clear perception of anything anymore, I know I have heard some underground that has insulted me more than the rappers on the radio talking about slapping a hoe. I have heard mainstream so deep, that I had to play it again just to make sure I got the message correctly.

So yea, we can't really dictate how or why people go certain places. Some people wanna go mainstream because it has the possibility of reaching outside this country, or they go underground where it can be passed, and downloaded. Its a choice for some.

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:09 am

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Just honestly speaking, to the lowest scribble on the paper to the Mona Lisa. Rap is an art. Whether it is Antoine Dodson to 2pac, its still art. Someone is still going to like, people are still going to bump it some where on some speakers.

Music dictates our moods. While I like the underground stuff when I wanna feel awesome, to listening to Nicki Minaj because I fee like singing. All of the things have their different appeals. It really doesn't matter if they are mainstream or underground to me.

There is no clear perception of anything anymore, I know I have heard some underground that has insulted me more than the rappers on the radio talking about slapping a hoe. I have heard mainstream so deep, that I had to play it again just to make sure I got the message correctly.

So yea, we can't really dictate how or why people go certain places. Some people wanna go mainstream because it has the possibility of reaching outside this country, or they go underground where it can be passed, and downloaded. Its a choice for some.

Can't really argue with this. I suppose you are right in a sense that at its bare bones it is an art. However, should art be reviewed and have commentary?

Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:38 am

Princess Z-M

Foxprincess09

Just honestly speaking, to the lowest scribble on the paper to the Mona Lisa. Rap is an art. Whether it is Antoine Dodson to 2pac, its still art. Someone is still going to like, people are still going to bump it some where on some speakers.

Music dictates our moods. While I like the underground stuff when I wanna feel awesome, to listening to Nicki Minaj because I fee like singing. All of the things have their different appeals. It really doesn't matter if they are mainstream or underground to me.

There is no clear perception of anything anymore, I know I have heard some underground that has insulted me more than the rappers on the radio talking about slapping a hoe. I have heard mainstream so deep, that I had to play it again just to make sure I got the message correctly.

So yea, we can't really dictate how or why people go certain places. Some people wanna go mainstream because it has the possibility of reaching outside this country, or they go underground where it can be passed, and downloaded. Its a choice for some.

Can't really argue with this. I suppose you are right in a sense that at its bare bones it is an art. However, should art be reviewed and have commentary?

Yes! And in fact without reviewing and commentary could we ever say it was really art? Like a show without an audience, was it really a play? It is the people that make it such, and no matter if it is a praise or a critique if anyone does so, it makes it a piece of art, whether crappy or amazingly beautiful. I honestly feel like the discussion and somewhat battle of what is good and what is bad, is nice, but to discuss whether it was art, would be contradictory. Because if it was not an art form and some shape, would we really be discussing this now? If it truly was not an art form there would be no need for this discussion.

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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:41 am

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Yes! And in fact without reviewing and commentary could we ever say it was really art? Like a show without an audience, was it really a play? It is the people that make it such, and no matter if it is a praise or a critique if anyone does so, it makes it a piece of art, whether crappy or amazingly beautiful. I honestly feel like the discussion and somewhat battle of what is good and what is bad, is nice, but to discuss whether it was art, would be contradictory. Because if it was not an art form and some shape, would we really be discussing this now? If it truly was not an art form there would be no need for this discussion.

Well now people will discuss thing just for the sake of debating or hearing themselves talk though. We could just as well replace rap with mud and the same thing could be had. Still your right in a way.

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 10:48 pm

First Crawley who do you listen too. Just curious

Second there is not much difference between Mainstream and Underground it depends on artist. The only difference is the proportion of what artist are about. I mean mainstream has waka flocka but it also has Lupe Fiasco
Underground has MF Doom but it also has some other people who i don't listen to.

Third Just cause people are mainstream doesn't mean that its better its just popular. Disco was mainstream back some time before i was born but i swear if i go to a club or a party and hear some damn disco i will slap the s**t out of that dj for he obviously deserves it.

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