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God-The-Rapist

PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:37 pm


For quite a while (even before I found out my girlfriend was pregnant) I have been interested in Baby Signing. I have always had an interest in Signlanguage and thought that it would be a good expirence for both me and my child to be able to communicate before speech. But I'm not sure that its a good thing. I've been surfing sites and found some great stories but I never fully trust what sites say because they are mostly trying to sell an Idea or Product and bad mouthing it isnt going to help sales.

I was wondering if anyone has tried baby signing and had a good effect with it. Whether its had an adverse effect with Speech Devolpment or hurried it along. I'm also worred about my child becoming dependant on the Signing and being withdrawn in school. Its not a common thing for childeren to sign when they can hear. I wouldnt want my kid to go through the torment I went through during school.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:05 pm


I've heard that for some children who are deaf, or who have speech problems of some sort, signing can help them communicate their wants and needs to their parents/caregiver(s).

I don't know much more, sorry. I'd imagine it would be interesting to try though.

Nikolita
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Akhakhu

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:57 pm


I'm wondering about this. Is this communication after the language center of the brain has developed but before the muscle control is advanced enough to speak? Because if it's before the brain development part, I don't see how it would work. If the tissue isn't formed, it's just not formed. Using hands instead of voices isn't going to change that.

As for whether it would harm the child, I honestly doubt it. These things are built to survive and adapt to almost anything. Kids are amazingly resiliant. Teaching him/her to communicate in a non-vocal manner isn't not going to "break" him/her.

Let me give you an example: I lived in Switzerland growing up. Everyone around me spoke French, but I spoke English at home. I knew that English was the language I could speak with parents, and that French was the language I could speak with others. It's virtually the same as learning what vocabulary can be used in what situations (you don't use slang in a job interview, for example), just a little more complicated. You're child may try signing with others, but will quickly learn that they don't understand and find a way that they CAN understand.

An infant's primary goal is to fit into society. Every biological process is designed to facilitate his/her ability to mimmick and learn proper behaviour. He/she will pick up language just fine, don't worry.

Besides, they say that children who learn more than one language before the age of four (sign language included) tend to have higher IQs than children who don't.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:54 pm


The only people that I know personally that are using it are those who's younger children had speech problems. Most of the times they recommend it under the age of 2ish since it's hard to get them to start speaking and it's a way to deal with their frustrations and inability to communicate.

My son is in speech therapy, but being that he is 3, they do not do that at all. I don't buy the baloney that if your child uses sign language they will be smarter because the connatations are just insulting.

If it works for you, do it. When you do your checkups for the child, they will make notice on the speech development and if they are delayed, they will recommend speech therapy, regardless of signing or not. I've known children who are speech delayed with AND without learning signing, so I doubt there is a correlation. It's just preference. Just make sure to keep up on the checkups and remember those are guidelines not must-dos that a child must accomplish.

lunashock


Krystlanna

PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:55 pm


A friend of mine is teaching her daughter to sign because of her own difficulties and it will help her comunicate with her child when she is rendered unable to speak. They began teaching her sign and exposing her to it along with spoken language as it helps them practice signing. She is now two and will sign and speak at the same time, some times, or just use words at other times. Her speach is not hampered but she was less frustrated when she was young as she could get her message across when her speach was not developed physically yet.

As far as her personality she is outgoing comunicative and friendly she gets along exceptionally well at daycare. In short I think no matter how you teach a child to communicate knowing she is being listened to and uderstood is good for a childs self esteeme.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:31 am


lunashock
I don't buy the baloney that if your child uses sign language they will be smarter because the connatations are just insulting.

Quite a few studies have shown that children who learn more than one language in infancy will have more developed and more organized brains (meaning the connections between neurons are stronger and more organized and there is more grey matter to begin with). I assume that sign language would be included here.

But remember that basic hardware is nothing without good programming. Just because their brains are capable of more (statistically) doesn't mean diddly squat if they aren't raised in a way that truly makes use of that capability.

Also, the change isn't huge and drastic. It's just a slight increase in a) ability to learn yet another language, b) SAT scores, c) average IQ. Looking at two kids, you won't be able to say "omg! That one knew a second language as a child! Look at the size of his forehead!!!"

Akhakhu


lunashock

PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:56 pm


I know I sound like the angry mother, but it's just I don't buy so much into it. With those studies, it's not a true variable free study. There's genetics, economic factors, etc. not taken into effect. How do they know that these children have more means available than some? Or that these

I definitely encourage sign language if that's what a parent wants to do, but to to it so to increase IQ and make your child smarter, I'm iffy about with those studies.

On the flip side, there are also studies that show that teaching multiple languages can cause some delays early in childhood because it's twice as much to take it. They won't meet up with the milestones. Which, given, they are supposed to be guidelines, not must acheives. It's like the studies that say listening to classical music in utero increases IQ.

I just say take the studies with a grain of salt and do it to enrich them if you want to do it.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:52 pm


I agree that all these studies need to be taken with a grain of salt. I also agree that the correlation is extremely minimal (if there is one). I'm using it more as an argument to say that it's ok to teach your kid another language rather than "Teach your kid another language NOW or he/she will be a retard!!"

As for the confusion stuff, that depends on how languages are taught. For example, the community I grew up in had a lot of English speakers, but it was predominantly French. I had English and home, French and school. The division was extremely clear. After being corrected a few times for using a French word in an English sentence or visa versa, I really didn't have any problems. But I had some friends (especially ones who had one Swiss parents and, thus, mixed languages in the home) who had a lot of trouble destinguishing between the two languages. Because they were treating both French and English as a single language, they had a lot of trouble communicating with anyone who only spoke one. Many of them just got so frustrated that they stopped speaking entirely.

That's the general rule. If you have more than one language, make sure they are rigidly situational. Or, in the case of hand signals, are so completly different that they can't be confused.

Akhakhu


lunashock

PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:12 pm


That is really handy info, Kukushka. heart
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:08 pm


As far as increasing IQ, no one knows. No studies have really said either way.
I do basic signs with my 21-month old, because for some words that are hard for him to say, it's easier for him to do the sign, or he'll do the sign and say the word.
Studies HAVE said that it does NOT delay speech, as long as you still SAY the words to your child when you sign them, and also still encourage them to say the words as well. What it helps with is being able to reduce frustration when you can't understand their words just because their mouths and tongue aren't developed enough to make the noises.
Being able to do signs seems to help my son a lot sometimes, but other times, he refuses to do them.
If you want to do it, there is NO harm that can come from it, only good.
The appropriate time to start is about the time when your kiddo starts waving byebye or pointing... in other words, when they start understanding that hand-gestures are expressive.

Savina


wotfan

PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:22 pm


I have never heard of actual sign language being tought to babies, but I have heard of signals of a sort being used for underdeveloped children so they can communicate easier without speech. I did research and taught my son some because he was developmentally behind because of being trapped in a bed for 4 months in infancy. I taught him from a young age to point at objects if he wanted them. I also taught him to hold his hand in a fist and pretend eat if he was hungry. He knew a few others I cant remember any of them anymore because he doesnt use them. He speaks very well now and doest use them I suppose the development of speach sort of pushed the signals out.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:36 pm


I just wanted to let you all know that I've found baby signing to be *invaluble* with my toddler - he is in no way hearing impaired, and my impairment is so slight I don't even need a hearing aid. My husband has no hearing problems at all, but all 3 of us use signs.

I have had no problems with my son being behind in verbal development, and every word that he signs, he can also say. He just ususally prefers to sign the words because it's easier - plus, we parents get confused because bath and ball and bag all sound the same, and apple and grandpa sound the same, and milk comes out like "guk" - My son has learned that sign language makes those words clear.

When my husband or I sign to our kiddo, we always always say the word. We ask him "What do you want to eat?" while signing "what eat" - he will answer saying or signing what he wants. For example, he prefers to say the word "cracker" because he says it quite clearly. He prefers to sign the word "cheese" because it sounds like "shess," and he likes his words to sound right.

We've found that sign language has also helped him avoid the baby talk - he'll sign a word until he can say it right. But it saves us so so so much frustration because he has 2 different ways to illustrate what he wants.

So if you're interested in teaching kids sign language, do it - it helps develop fine motor skills, and it gives them an outlet to communicate easier.

Personally, we use American Sign language, just because I figured it will be more useful to him in the future than if you make up signs, but his cousin learned a bunch of signs that my sister-in-law just made up, and he's done just as well with those. As long as the kid and the caretaker both know what the signs mean, then it's useful. Don't forget to leave notes for the babysitter, so they can understand the kiddo as well!

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