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 Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 3:50 am
Digital Malevolence Gosuto On-na Digital Malevolence I typed out a big length reply to this, and then my computer restarted, I'm not typing it out again. So heres the shorter version: Anyways, those first two websites you linked to are both from the same thing so its really only one reference not two. Also, they are complete bullshit. lol @ 'sequencer line's. The persona who wrote that has no idea what a sequencer is nor do they know what Industrial or Metal is. And I didn't ask for your sources, I asked for you to tell me what makes an Industrial Metal band an Industrial Metal band. You can quote things all day but that doesn't mean you actually understand them. My references are all through my own listening experience, which I can show you. Industrial: Throbbing Gristlein Slaughter NativesWhitehouseMetal: BesattRunning WildGriefNow explain to me how when mixing those two genres together you get something like BSC or any other band commonly called Industrial Metal. 1st off I never called BSC Industrial Metal, I just said they sounds like it to me. So no combining those 2 genres is not BSC. But, yes mixing Industrial Music with Heavy Metal does indeed give you Industrial Metal. Using synthesizers, and distorted vocals is some of the most noticable stuff about Industrial Metal bands. Just check out Ministry, or Godlfesh. Anyway back to BSC. BSC is... some sort of Death Metal. But, to sum it all up I do indeed know the differences between BSC, and Industrial Metal, and I'm very educated in genres of music, and seriously if we need to get other guildies in here to settle this annoying drawn-out arguement then let's do it neutral you can get who ever you want in here, I don't think it will matter. I know genres very well, which is part of while I'm vice-captain of this guild. But really synthesizers and harsh vocals having nothing to do with Industrial music at all, in fact most Industrial artists barely use synths at all. Industrial is ant-music, so mixing it with music is not possible. And Blood Stain Child plays Electronic influenced Nu-Metal. Nu-Metal, although it has Metal in the name is in fact Rock, its built with a Rock structure and pretty much everything else Rock aside from heavily distorted guitars, double bass drumming and harsh vocals. But either way Industrial Metal doesn't exist, its a false term for Metal with synths, dance beats, and other EDM influences. EDM is my favorite genre, Metal used to be my favorite a few years ago, I know pretty well what makes something Metal and what makes something EDM and what makes something Industrial since Industrial and Post-Industrial is both the genres I'm most interested in listening and producing. I've given you tons of reasons as to why Industrial Metal doesn't exist and the only thing you've given me is a silly link and the observation that it has synths in it, which proves nothing. If you don't get it, I give up, you are helpless. I am NOT helpless! I know a lot of genres just like you, and I know EXACTLY what Industrial Metal is. I also know precisely what genre BSC is, and I have plenty of sources to back me up! I'm going to go find some guildies to drag in here, and they will decide who is "helpless" stressed
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 3:20 pm
I don't know if it's a "real" sub-genre or not, I just know I use the term 'industrial metal' because it's a convenient way to refer to metal with electronics mixed in and most people know what you mean when you say it. There may be a more correct term for it, but I don't know what that is.
In all honesty, though, this feels a bit like arguing the difference between pagan metal and folk metal (and there is certainly room for argument there). At a certain point it ceases to be useful and just becomes an exercise in splitting hairs. Anyway, I may be way off-base, but those are my 2 cents.
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Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 5:31 am
Volvy I don't know if it's a "real" sub-genre or not, I just know I use the term 'industrial metal' because it's a convenient way to refer to metal with electronics mixed in and most people know what you mean when you say it. There may be a more correct term for it, but I don't know what that is. In all honesty, though, this feels a bit like arguing the difference between pagan metal and folk metal (and there is certainly room for argument there). At a certain point it ceases to be useful and just becomes an exercise in splitting hairs. Anyway, I may be way off-base, but those are my 2 cents. Well thanks for your input biggrin
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Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 10:26 pm
Volvy I don't know if it's a "real" sub-genre or not, I just know I use the term 'industrial metal' because it's a convenient way to refer to metal with electronics mixed in and most people know what you mean when you say it. There may be a more correct term for it, but I don't know what that is.In all honesty, though, this feels a bit like arguing the difference between pagan metal and folk metal (and there is certainly room for argument there). At a certain point it ceases to be useful and just becomes an exercise in splitting hairs. Anyway, I may be way off-base, but those are my 2 cents. Exactly. I wasn't saying you cant use the term I was pointing out it was wrong. And there isn't any real difference between Pagan Folk Metal and regular Folk Metal, Pagan Folk Metal just has Pagan lyrics, theres really no other difference. Or at least, not that I've heard. Edit: Oh and for the record, Gosuto On-na, I understand you may not tons of genres as well, thats not really the point. The point is, all you've said is that the genre exists with no proof but one resources that make no sense.
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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 4:42 am
Digital Malevolence Volvy I don't know if it's a "real" sub-genre or not, I just know I use the term 'industrial metal' because it's a convenient way to refer to metal with electronics mixed in and most people know what you mean when you say it. There may be a more correct term for it, but I don't know what that is.In all honesty, though, this feels a bit like arguing the difference between pagan metal and folk metal (and there is certainly room for argument there). At a certain point it ceases to be useful and just becomes an exercise in splitting hairs. Anyway, I may be way off-base, but those are my 2 cents. Exactly. I wasn't saying you cant use the term I was pointing out it was wrong. And there isn't any real difference between Pagan Folk Metal and regular Folk Metal, Pagan Folk Metal just has Pagan lyrics, theres really no other difference. Or at least, not that I've heard. Edit: Oh and for the record, Gosuto On-na, I understand you may not tons of genres as well, thats not really the point. The point is, all you've said is that the genre exists with no proof but one resources that make no sense. Ah, but as volvy said the term is convienient, and therefore people do indeed use it. So yeah it's not really all that wrong anymore. By the way also quoting Volvy there is indeed room for arguing Folk Metal, and Pagan Folk Metal. Oh, and yes I do indeed have proof of Industrial Metal, and just because you don't like my resources means nothing. I still know what it is, and ya' know this really is getting to the point of splitting hairs (I believe Volvy said?) scream
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 12:55 am
Gosuto On-na Digital Malevolence Volvy I don't know if it's a "real" sub-genre or not, I just know I use the term 'industrial metal' because it's a convenient way to refer to metal with electronics mixed in and most people know what you mean when you say it. There may be a more correct term for it, but I don't know what that is.In all honesty, though, this feels a bit like arguing the difference between pagan metal and folk metal (and there is certainly room for argument there). At a certain point it ceases to be useful and just becomes an exercise in splitting hairs. Anyway, I may be way off-base, but those are my 2 cents. Exactly. I wasn't saying you cant use the term I was pointing out it was wrong. And there isn't any real difference between Pagan Folk Metal and regular Folk Metal, Pagan Folk Metal just has Pagan lyrics, theres really no other difference. Or at least, not that I've heard. Edit: Oh and for the record, Gosuto On-na, I understand you may not tons of genres as well, thats not really the point. The point is, all you've said is that the genre exists with no proof but one resources that make no sense. Ah, but as volvy said the term is convienient, and therefore people do indeed use it. So yeah it's not really all that wrong anymore. By the way also quoting Volvy there is indeed room for arguing Folk Metal, and Pagan Folk Metal. Oh, and yes I do indeed have proof of Industrial Metal, and just because you don't like my resources means nothing. I still know what it is, and ya' know this really is getting to the point of splitting hairs (I believe Volvy said?) scream I really don't understand what you just said, but I did realize this conversation is going nowhere. so I quit, besides, it went way off topic and would work better in its own topic. I'll probably make one to discuss, in more depth about this soon.
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 8:53 am
Basically speaking - let's indeed create that thread and let's indeed define what is industrial music, what is metal music, and what is industrial metal.
Let's just do it through definitions, not feelings. I hate when I feel rather than know something. Well, except for the sense of beauty - this one is totally personal.
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