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svalur

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:01 am


If you've ever been in marching band, you probably have heard of "senior privileges" or something similar, where the senior class gets special things that no one else does.
Usually it's not much.. first in line for water, first to get on the bus, etc.

Anyway, the seniors in my band take things too far.
They're mean and rude and uncontrollable.
They say awful things to and about other band members and the staff and parents.
They're rebellious, too. If the BD asks them to do something they yell at him and do the opposite.

Because I am one of the only seniors that doesn't act like the rest, and I am also the drum major, parents are always coming to me and telling me their kid came home from band crying because of something a senior said/did to them and asking me to talk to them and make them change.

And for awhile, I tried. I would tell them they need to settle down, and stop being so rude to everyone.
Just because you're a senior doesn't mean you have the right to be an a*****e.

After trying to stop them from being rude and complaining about everything for a week, they started being rude to ME.
They started calling me a b***h and self-centered because I was "trying to control the band".
People would come up to me after band and say, "Guess what the seniors said about you today?"

And then last Saturday, we were at our first competition of the season.
Only 10 minutes before the drum majors were to line up on the field for awards, the seniors decided they wanted to come on the field too.
In the past, the seniors would only be allowed to go on the field for awards at the very last competition of the season.
Since we hadn't even prepared a salute, I told them I didn't think we were prepared enough and to wait until the next one.
They took it as if I said they can NEVER come out, and took the situation to the BD.
They told him that the seniors go on the field at EVERY comp and since it's his first year with us, he believed them.
I tried to convince him that they were lying, but he didn't know who to believe.
A huge fight started and our BD said no seniors.
The seniors got furious because "I got my way"
Which wasn't what I was trying to do! I just didn't want us to look stupid and unprepared.

Anyway, since that night, none of them have said a word to me.
I haven't been invited to the weekly senior dinners.
And people are STILL coming to me complaining, or telling me they overheard a senior gossiping about me.

I just don't know how to deal with it.
My BD won't do anything about it. He's basically oblivious to it all, even after I've tried to tell him what's going on.

What should I do?
It's making me so miserable and stressed all the time..
PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:39 pm


This sounds a lot like what is going on in the clarinet section at my school. except its the lowerclassmen giving me, he section leader, issues. I've got one who won't listen to me at all. She tries to tae over as section leader, and then ditches my sectionals and complains we "never have any". Then her right hand man, another sophomore girl like herself, goes along with what she says. At first, it was only these two. Then, the other sophomore got involved. He started doing similar things, and started saying stuff behind my back. I've learned about all three talking about me behind my back from multiple reliable sources.

Most recently, I was talking o another friend about a sectional, and made the comment that only half thesection showd up. The assitant drum major was nearby, and texted the one sophomore. Apparently, he told her that i was talking crap about her to the tenor sax section leader, and he got a text fro her telling him to stop. For one, he was almost 2 desks away, secondly, I wasn't saying any of what the dm told her i was saying. According to him, i said 'se would make a really bad drum major, and if she did make i, te whoe band would go to ruin." Not what said. Yes, i was talking about how she wanted to be drum major, but I said she would make a good section leader, but if me and her made drum major together, it would be bad because we didn't get along well.

Oh, we als have no band director. the choir director at the school has taken over band and orchestra for now.

Anyway, thigs have gotten a bit better since I talked to all three of them about it. Its really hard when theres a lack of older authority, sinc eit seems like even if your direcor were to be on your side, they probably wouldn't reespect him/her.

Maybe you could try compromising? Like what our sax section leaders are doing. Bot are juniors, but there is a single senior who is upset he didn't get sl. To make him feel better, they give him more priveleges then normal seniors. He gets drill, gets to set other saxes, has chances to run sectionals on occasion, and sometimes he gets to go aside and help struggling players. You could try something like this. I don't know if it will do any good...but hey.

ClarinetGoddess


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:37 pm


You could tell your school principal because they are doing it ON school time. Who cares if all the seniors are suspended. Their fault.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:49 pm


What assholes. >:[

Our band has (and has had) SOME people like that, but never to such an extent! And it doesn't help that your band director is new... I feel so sorry for you. :[

Don't let them get you down. Talk to your BD about established traditions; he should know to listen to you, since you're not the one going around and yelling and doing the opposite of what you said. Be respectful to the BD if he does agree with the seniors, though. As for the seniors, try to ignore the jerks. It sucks, I know (me and my co-SL are the only ones that enforce doing what we're supposed to), but you've kinda gotta do what you've gotta do...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:13 pm


Report them for hazing and just general rude behavior. You can get them kicked out of band, if you need. Talk to the Principal and go over your BD's head.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:19 pm


That's just mean! Some people need to just grow up and learn that they can't always get it their way. Even if they're seniors, doesn't mean they can just be complete assholes. But I agree with other people, report them, their harassing everyone. Band isn't the place for that s**t.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:51 pm


Say your band sounds like a joke when they keep messing around. Band is supposed to be uniform, which is impossible if everyone is not putting in their best effort. So these seniors are setting a poor example for the underclassmen and can gtfo of band! The DM is chosen to represent the band and your BD is supposed to trust you if they approved the position in the first place. What's with your BD not knowing what's up with the band. Don't be all accusatory since it'll just piss everyone off, or ignore everything so nothing changes, but find a way that suits you to get the message across that the band needs to get their act together. Maybe you guys don't have some tradition of excellence you are trying to uphold, but that doesn't mean it can't start now.

At my school, many of the underclassmen start out as slackers, but most of the upperclassmen keep setting a good example, and it shows them their potential until they get in the spirit of things :] Oh and make sure you have responsible section leaders. Talk to them and then have them talk to the seniors in their section to keep things at a more manageable level for you. Keep in mind, some people will stay jerks for a long time, but if you want things to change, you just can't let that get to you. Jia yo!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:47 am


Like others have said, take it up with your principal or school board if you have to. It's their job to listen to your problems. Your so called "seniors" are in for a serious reality check once they graduate and experience real life. Svalur, I give you mad props for trying to find a solution to a problem you should not have to be dealing with; you care, and that is a sign of a true leader. Best wishes & good luck.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:28 am


Do they realize how stupid they're making themselves AND your band look all at the same time?

Do they realize what other people, schools, judges, and band directors think when they see that kind of behavior?

I had seniors like that my freshman year and I felt so bad for the nicest senior girl who was a boss Tuba player. Just because she told her boyfriend he was immature, making himself look stupid, and disrespecting the band (after saying all of this she dumped him), the seniors played nasty pranks on her, like posting fake nude prostitute and nude photos all over the school.

And I most definitely agree with other comments. GO OVER YOUR BD'S HEAD. If he's not willing to deal with something that serious, then you need to go one step higher. There is no reason to feel miserable when doing something you love.

I should know, my BD after the first year (after I graduated, I still went to the games) started getting lazy when it came to the band and now is oblivious to the fact that they're feeling humiliated and are close to falling apart.

I totally understand how you feel and being such a huge band nerd, it tears my heart when I see stuff like this happen.

Hang in there and remember, you're the one choosing to not lower yourself to the stupid other senior's standards by going about doing things the right way. Besides, it's very tough being a Drum Major, especially when you have people like that in band.

But like said, go to the principal because no offense, but it doesn't sound like your BD is going to move to the music any time soon, or at least in my opinion.

I really do hope this all works out for you, especially since this is the beginning of the year. Please let me know how things work out, k? Just hang in there, you can do it smile
PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:30 am


ClarinetGoddess
This sounds a lot like what is going on in the clarinet section at my school. except its the lowerclassmen giving me, he section leader, issues. I've got one who won't listen to me at all. She tries to tae over as section leader, and then ditches my sectionals and complains we "never have any". Then her right hand man, another sophomore girl like herself, goes along with what she says. At first, it was only these two. Then, the other sophomore got involved. He started doing similar things, and started saying stuff behind my back. I've learned about all three talking about me behind my back from multiple reliable sources.

Most recently, I was talking o another friend about a sectional, and made the comment that only half thesection showd up. The assitant drum major was nearby, and texted the one sophomore. Apparently, he told her that i was talking crap about her to the tenor sax section leader, and he got a text fro her telling him to stop. For one, he was almost 2 desks away, secondly, I wasn't saying any of what the dm told her i was saying. According to him, i said 'se would make a really bad drum major, and if she did make i, te whoe band would go to ruin." Not what said. Yes, i was talking about how she wanted to be drum major, but I said she would make a good section leader, but if me and her made drum major together, it would be bad because we didn't get along well.

Oh, we als have no band director. the choir director at the school has taken over band and orchestra for now.

Anyway, thigs have gotten a bit better since I talked to all three of them about it. Its really hard when theres a lack of older authority, sinc eit seems like even if your direcor were to be on your side, they probably wouldn't reespect him/her.

Maybe you could try compromising? Like what our sax section leaders are doing. Bot are juniors, but there is a single senior who is upset he didn't get sl. To make him feel better, they give him more priveleges then normal seniors. He gets drill, gets to set other saxes, has chances to run sectionals on occasion, and sometimes he gets to go aside and help struggling players. You could try something like this. I don't know if it will do any good...but hey.


I think that's awesome what your Sax Section Leaders do... a lot of people think that sharing the power or making sure you do things the right way is a bad idea...this obviously proves otherwise.

Lilith of the Ashes

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