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Finally had time to watch the episode. Apparently the world can't help fit their schedule to revolve around Veronica Mars. It's crazy.

Now time for long random jumbled thoughts

That opening scene was going too well for me. I had trouble buying both Veronica and Logan's attitude and the snark was lacking. And Logan's a jackass but it's been shown that he does love Duncan (not in that way, that's Weevil) and their relationship is important to him and I didn't feel like he'd be so uncaring toward Duncan and I didn't like that he was snarking about someone being dead. Also something felt off in the acting because usually there is so much underneath what Logan and Veronica are saying to each other that you can feel but this one felt flat. I guess I can see it for Veronica because she was trying to get this done how she and Duncan planned.

I loved that Wallace was back but I'm not sure how I feel about his storyline and how it's being handled. When Wallace left there were a lot of issues between him and Veronica that seem to have disappeared. At first when Wallace was all you would have done the right thing I wasn't totally going with that because Wallace really is the moral center of the show but after thinking about it, it's still in character because Wallace is a good guy and probably one of the few wholly good characters on this show but he does tend to cave into peer pressure. Taking back what he said about the bikers, goat-napping because the other players thought it would be cool, so I can buy that Wallace ran when everyone else did. It kind of bothered me that it didn't seem to bother Veronica that Wallace's only reason for returning was supposedly basketball but they didn't really have time to deal with that so I'll let it slide.

Weevil and Logan! I love seeing them trying to be detectives together. And finally Weevil has something to do other than complain about rich white boys. I also love seeing Weevil and Logan back together grudgingly working together.

Felix and Molly Fitzpatrick, how West Side Story of them.

I loved how d**k actually seemed like he was genuinly trying to help Veronica in his own dichish way. I don't know if he really was trying to or not but it's still funny either way.

The fight between Veronica and Keith was painfully beautiful. I love how both actors can make you so emotionally vested in them and feel like their relationship is real and now you have to see it strained. I think Veronica's been needing this but it was still painful to watch, but it in a good way. Can anyone think of a good reason why Enrico and Kristen didn't get Golden Globe noms?

I love me some Lamb. And I loved all the Lamb and FBI stuff. Especially this exchange "Sacks bring in two coffees" "What?" I hope Michael Muhney can be a regular next year assuming they have more funds on CW. I guess with Teddy gone they have a spot open.

A lot of the episode had fun lines and twist but I think it ended up being one of those fun in execution but you're not too sure afterwards, if that makes any sense. I felt like they left a little too much for the audiance to have to figure out and had a lot of plot holes. Also a lot of suspension of disbelief was required to believe that Duncan would need to kidnap the baby. I doubth the Mannings put his name on the birth certificate but all he had to do was hire any lawyer and have a paternity test done and the baby would be his. There have been no major outbursts the Mannings could site to use the epilepsy against him to prove Duncan an unfit parent.

Then there's the Duncan stuff. The good-bye scene was sweet but it was hard to really feel. Their relationship has been so weird this season and I just realized a lot of it and a lot of Duncan has been red herrings and fake outs. Duncan spent first season as a potential suspect of the murder. And with D/V the relationship started with a who's-the-boyfriend fake out leaving the getting together to be a quick one-minute montage. Then Driver's Ed had probably the weirdest sex scene ever, no chemistry, lot's of awkward, Duncan even suggesting they didn't do it right and then turning on the TV and while I think it was supposed to be a sweet and realistic first time, on screen it came off weird and not how the sweet first love couple should be seen. Green-Eyed Monster was also weird with Duncan's visit to Meg, pissyness of being questioned, and lying about Latin studying, NPABIC was also weird because they did have cute and loving scenes and Duncan even jumped to protect Veronica, but then there was also Duncan hiding Meg's letter and the 'did he sleep with Kendall?' which off balanced the sweetness. Then we get Ahoy Mateys where Duncan has dreams of Meg as being a sweet damsel in distress and Veronica with a weird dominatrix complex making it seem like Duncan is imitiated by Veronica and that he misses Meg's sweetness. Then both MMTF and OAV screamed can't communicate and had all the Meg baby stuff. Which brings us to where Veronica and Duncan are now. They have the big breakup which we've been led to be able to buy and then they have a lovely send off of their sweet first love that we're supposed to feel. How are we supposed to feel the sweet first love sendoff if D/V has been almost like another main mystery? And it's been hard to get into Duncan's character when you spend all this time believing he's psyco, cheating, a jerk, or whatever and then they reveal oh look he's not and it's hard to let go of the perception of his character and it makes all of that seem pointless.

I do think it was a nice sendoff for Duncan and it's probably best that the character go because they didn't seem to have much to do with him this season other than to be Veronica's fakeout boyfriend. I wish I had gotten more Logan and Duncan scenes out of him because I really loved it ( I have a thing for guy BFFs for some reason) and this season was weird. They supposedly made up except Logan kept making bitter remarks toward him and Duncan seemed oblivious and now I'll never get a hilarious AEFC apology from them again.

This episode was a good conclusion to a messy plot line though and I look forward to shifting the focuses onto what's coming for the 2nd half. And Veronica's finally single again yay! I hope that can last the rest of the season, I won't hate it if she gets together with anyone else but I'd really like break from love interests and to see my bitter cynical outcast Veronica.

I didn't think it was a bad sex scene, and I agree it was very realistic but realistic translates weirdly on TV. But it was more the vibe then anything else. The actors had wonderful chemistry in season one but it didn't quite make it in this season for me except for BFTP and NPABIAC. I just think it was weird to bother showing that and then showing a completley pointless scene with Logan afterwards just made it weirder.

I meant more the audiance in genearal that is supposed to fall for the fake outs. A lot of Duncan depended on how you perceieved him from what little concrete detail you had on him and I think both ways they got cheated because Duncan got cheated out of real character doing something and developing scenes and the people falling for the fakouts or at least skeptical don't get a pay off from that.

When Ducan appeared jerky at least to me:
Driver Ed: They way Duncan acted about the bus crash. When Veronica is emotional about the crash he gets this whatever thing going on that kind of bugged me and I didn't get why he was being so casual about it. And I thought he should be the one to apoligize to Veronica but he did make up for it by at least being sweet at the apology scene.
Green Eyed Monster: Duncan was weird in this ep. First theres his snappy brush off at Veronica for starting to question about Meg's parents, then there's his "I'm studying for my latin quiz" when he was really watching TV, and then Veronica asks him in a simple non accusatory way why didn't tell her about visiting Meg and he just went cold and withheld sex. I still don't get that scene because I thought Veronica handled that reasonably and it made sense to get out of the way an issue that was bothering her before they have sex. I'm still not sure what I was supposed to get out of that scene. There's also the "should I hide in the bedroom like a hooker" that is also weird because why did he have to hide her from Lizzie? Lizzie knew they were together and was on their side. RT said Duncan visited Meg because of guilt and I can buy that but at the same time I feel like there was supposed to be something more. Why did he act so happy in Driver Ed and why couldn't he tell Veronica that? And now I see that it was all for the red herring so we could fall for the break up fake out that he had been planning since the beginning presumably.
Nobody Puts A Baby in a Corner: He was actually sweet most of the time but to pair that sweetness with hiding secrets, the Kendall fake out, and the Yeah Logan hit that a** made it odd.
Ahoy Mateys: The dreams with dominatrix Veronica that make no sense now, but he has no control over his dreams so I can't blame him for them but the show doesn't have to show them if they aren't important. And the Veronica ignoring which would've made a lot more sense in the next episode when he knew about the baby but in that ep he was all hunky dory
My Mother the Fiend: Not telling Veronica about the baby kind of bugged me, but not really that much just because I'd like to assume that he was trying to deal with it himself but if they had actually shown Duncan having a brooding scene or something I might have felt it more. But this and OAV showed the communication issues these two seemed to be having.
Donut Run: He actually wasn't a jerk but this is the fake out it all led to so were supposed to believe he was a jerk when he broke up with her and here is where it seems odd to me that were supposed to fall for this but then go aww at them.

Not the biggest in your face jerkiness but enough to make someone fall for it if that's how they percieve it which creates the whiplash of Ducan's sweet, something's up with Duncan, oh Duncan's sweet. I think I could've connected with him more if he'd gotten more real Duncan scenes instead of red-herrings.

I hate to be all negativy here because I did enjoy this episode it just raised a bunch of issues too. I didn't have D/V or Duncan, but I think it was executed poorly. I also was a little against it when it started just because I thought there was a theme to season 1 about getting over disaster in life even when there's no closure and I think there was even a voice over saying something to that effect and I wanted her single for a while so it's possible those 2 things clouded my judgement.

I like them too but I feel like there was too much fakeout on Duncan and it blocked his character from developing or having a real storyline. For me characters come first before the mysteries and while I love the mysteries, I feel that at roots it's supposed to be a character driven show.



So he knew about the baby before the letter? It makes Green-Eyed Monster make more sense but then Ahoy Mateys doesn't. But I don't get that he'd be happy Meg and his baby died, wouldn't he be more emotional? I did feel disconnected from the character but I didn't think he would put keeping Veronica over people's lives. I agree that he wasn't ready to deal with it that's why I assumed he learned from the letter he didn't tell Veronica right away, but it does bother me that we didn't see a hint of that and instead he acted happy so we wouldn't know.



I just don't like it because it was soley for the purpose of making us think something is happening and not something he would really do. I feel like we were kept from so much of his character so he could stay amigous. I wish I could look back and say A HA! it all makes sense, but some of it is still obvious red herrings.

I thought he was supposed to find out about the baby from the letter. That's what it looked like in Ahoy Mateys and that's what he told Veronica. If he did know about the baby then I'm not sure how long he thought he could keep that from Veronica. I guess it really is hard to say because they didn't quite spell it out but I kind of prefer to think it was the letter because I don't want to think he was never going to tell her and I can understand him needing some time to let it sink in and decide how to tell her but if he was going on for months and purposely trying to hide it... I just don't really like that idea and wonder what he planned to do once the baby was born "Why do I have to wear this blind fold? Do I smell baby powder? Is that a baby crying?" "Uh no Logan's just upset that his new after shave smells like baby powder and now he won't get Weevil to ask him to prom. Now hang on while I give Logan his bottle." I'm exagerating but I don't think Duncan was planning on keeping it a secret that long.



Yeah listing NPAIC as jerk behavoir was wrong but I just wasn't sure what to make of him in that episode but the having secretes really wasn't jerky. He did sort of condone Logan sleeping with Kendall but I don't think it was nearly as bad as Veronica took it so that really wasn't worth listing.



I enjoy that about the show but not when it keeps me from connecting with a major character who is dating the main character. If it actually goes somewhere fine, but none of it did. I enjoy surprises and twists but I like to go back and see them make sense. Looking back on season one Duncan's actions mostly make sense after the reveals of him thinking she was his sister and the murder reveal, so I was ok with that but it did to a bit of a disservice to his character by keeping him from developing but instead of builidng on that this season they kept him ambigous and I don't think they did as good of a job on it this season either.

I don't know if he was developed as far as they wanted him to be. I think they didn't know what to do with Duncan during the second season since they thought they could just as easily do away with him in the season finale because they made him the back up killer.


I didn't mean it as a bad thing saying he wasn't ready for the baby quite yet but I still think he wasn't quite ready to deal with all a real baby meant.

I guess it was the not knowing that bothered me this season. I look back at what we do know and for me it doesn't all fit. This season Duncan really didn't work for me for many reasons. I'm getting repetitive now so I agree to disagree.


Is it just me or did the hitchhikers by DisguesedDuncan look like they could be Wallace and Veronica stand ins?