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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:58 am
Azkeel ammaea Azkeel Why would I add complexity to something so simple? If you can't gather what I'm trying to say from my simple statement how would adding more words help? yeaaaa. I have to agree with Obscurus. I still don't understand how you can choose to give up free will... I'd say an explanation is in order razz Well to understand my statement one must first understand my spirituality. Look at it from a spiritual perspective. well, obviously I don't know you or your spirituality - hence asking you to explain it a bit.. :/
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:26 pm
ammaea Azkeel ammaea Azkeel Why would I add complexity to something so simple? If you can't gather what I'm trying to say from my simple statement how would adding more words help? yeaaaa. I have to agree with Obscurus. I still don't understand how you can choose to give up free will... I'd say an explanation is in order razz Well to understand my statement one must first understand my spirituality. Look at it from a spiritual perspective. well, obviously I don't know you or your spirituality - hence asking you to explain it a bit.. :/ Well what do you think I mean when I say "I chose to give up my free will" Then one questions me? How do I know I had the choice to begin with? And I say it's simple. Then I am to explain it? Perhaps you're digging to deep, perhaps you're searching for hidden meanings? I didn't speak in a parable. Perhaps I should. A soldier is in the field seperated from his troop, his communications line to the high command has been disconnected. This soldier goes about his buisness fighting the war in his own way. Then one day this lone soldier stumbles upon a radio. He tries it out but the batteries are dead. Then one day he starts to take heavy fire and dives into a trench. To his surprise a man is sitting in the trench and he holds out some batteries. The soldier quickly takes the batteries and shoves them into the radio while expressing a great thankfulness. The soldier then uses the radio to get back into contact with the high command explaining his situation. The fireing around him stops and the soldier hears his name. The soldier stands up and finds that he was taking fire from his own brothers in arms. The soldier walks over and gladly rejoins the ranks of his fellow soldiers and fights with them taking orders from the high command once again.
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:03 pm
Are you making a statement about fighting against yourself?
And really, I think you're being unnecessarily cryptic. The Buddha had some pretty deep things to say but he was at least kind enough to explain them to people. If you're asking us to understand your perspective you should at least make an effort rather than copping out with "It's really simple but I can't explain it because if I do it'll get complex and you won't understand what you already don't understand."
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:12 am
This is what I will say. As I was born with free will I did things on my own. My own way, my own will. I have since become reconnected with the Almighty and have come to the realization that my free will is what is wrong thus I surrundered to the Almighty's will.
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:48 am
The interesting thing about this is while I am in a form of servitude I am also truely free.
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:50 pm
So your free will comes from something that's not scientifically verifiable? That's really all you needed to say. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:27 am
Obscurus So your free will comes from something that's not scientifically verifiable? That's really all you needed to say. sweatdrop Well I actually dislike science for the most part other then physics. I used to go by the way of logic. But it seems I've gone into alot more of a creative area with a logical backing. I follow my own path from personal experiance's and by how I understand things. I really don't like others telling me what's up. Coincidentally I have studied religion for the most part and I have found my faith through it.
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:16 pm
Note: This may look familiar.
When a person is hypnotized, they can be given a post-hypnotic suggestion to, say, remove their left shoe and place it on the table. They might then be told to forget that command. When brought out of hypnosis, said person may display signs of restlessness, and then will invariably remove their left shoe and place it on the table. When asked why they have done so, they will likely give an answer along the lines of, "I just felt like it."
Thus can a person be convinced that their actions are entirely of their own decision, whilst in reality, they are not.
Perhaps all actions are this way: responses to identifiable stimuli. Perhaps not.
There is a theory in quantum physics known as Many-Worlds Theory. In this, all possible worlds are expressed. Every moment of decision, be it whether your car keys are here or there, whether you go left or right, or whether gravity or weak nuclear force exists, creates several alternate universes: one for each possible outcome. Thus, the construct known as the Multiverse would be made up of infinite universes, some almost identical -- Paul ate the eggs on one, the sandwich on the other -- and some so vastly different that no connection could possibly be made. This theory, if true, would effectively eliminate free will through the expression of all possible choices. It wouldn't matter what you chose, because on another world, you'd have already made the opposite choice. On a third you'd never have been faced with the decision. On a fourth, you'd have never existed in the first place.
The ways in which we could not have free will far outnumber the ways in which we could. Heh, but on another world, it might be that the possibility of free will outweighs the lack thereof. Wrap your minds around that.
Perhaps even such choices as celibacy and suicide cannot be freely made? Perhaps the choice to be celibate actually arose from the subconscious assessment of one's own genes to be unsufficient and unfit for replication. When we meet a person, we immediately begin to subconsciously assess them in this manner. Perhaps that same process, turned inward, can result in these decisions, though we would not be aware of it, and would believe our choices to be an act of free choice. Perhaps we even believe in free will because we have no choice. That would be extremely ironic.
I can honestly say that I have no idea whether I have free will, and if so, where it might originate.
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