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Pandora the Wonderful

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:10 pm


LET'S DO IT PEOPLE.

We'll designate jobs, like alphabet, numbers, colors,etc., then everyone can do Grammar!

IT'LL BE FUN AND WITH SO MANY SPEAKERS OF SO MANY LANGUAGE SPEAKERS IT'LL BE FUN LET'S DO IT!!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:24 pm


I was thinking we could use parts of certain alphabets, like adding a が(ga) It could add something to the sentence, like Trop(Overwhelmingly/Incredibly) in French, like if you said I が (ga) angry D< it would let people know
YOU'RE REALLY ANGRY.

Alphabet:
が (ga) (G-Ah)

K

K ̚

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:11 pm


Maybe we could also incorporate some aspects from tonal languages, I think they're called...the ones where going up and down can change the word. smile

Pronunciation is also an important aspect, we should think hard about that, if we decide to make this universal.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:15 pm


As great a idea as it may be, there's a reason why conlangs (aside from Esperanto and Blissymbolics).

But I hope you have fun!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:26 pm


What's the reason O_O;;;; /scared of finding scary truths D:

Fun 3nodding fun is good please, feel free to add on anything at all smile
PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:35 pm


Pandora the Wonderful
I was thinking we could use parts of certain alphabets, like adding a が It could add something to the sentence, like Trop in French, like if you said I が angry D< it would let people know
YOU'RE REALLY ANGRY.
Yeah, you've gotta let people know what those are/mean when you talk about them. Not everyone will know.

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Sure, let's do it.

I add: [k] and [ k ̚ ]

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:49 pm


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Pandora the Wonderful
I was thinking we could use parts of certain alphabets, like adding a が It could add something to the sentence, like Trop in French, like if you said I が angry D< it would let people know
YOU'RE REALLY ANGRY.
Yeah, you've gotta let people know what those are/mean when you talk about them. Not everyone will know.

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Sure, let's do it.

I add: [k] and [ k ̚ ]


Uweh, forgot about that emo Thank you for your contribution, THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU biggrin
I'll add an alphabet page. Can you show how it sounds?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:21 pm


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What's the reason O_O;;;; /scared of finding scary truths D:

Fun 3nodding fun is good please, feel free to add on anything at all smile


Oops, I totally forgot to write the rest of my thought!

I meant that there is a reason why people aren't very receptive towards creating new languages.

I suggest you read: In the Land of Invented Languages - Arika Okrent

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:29 pm


Mikagi-sama
Pandora the Wonderful
What's the reason O_O;;;; /scared of finding scary truths D:

Fun 3nodding fun is good please, feel free to add on anything at all smile


Oops, I totally forgot to write the rest of my thought!

I meant that there is a reason why people aren't very receptive towards creating new languages.

I suggest you read: In the Land of Invented Languages - Arika Okrent


Ah, thank you for the link/information heart It seems very interesting, and I'd love to get around to reading it sometime 3nodding but if this conlang can reach at least 100 people I'll be overjoyed, it's just for fun and stuff ^^
PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:42 pm


Pandora the Wonderful
Mikagi-sama
Pandora the Wonderful
What's the reason O_O;;;; /scared of finding scary truths D:

Fun 3nodding fun is good please, feel free to add on anything at all smile


Oops, I totally forgot to write the rest of my thought!

I meant that there is a reason why people aren't very receptive towards creating new languages.

I suggest you read: In the Land of Invented Languages - Arika Okrent


Ah, thank you for the link/information heart It seems very interesting, and I'd love to get around to reading it sometime 3nodding but if this conlang can reach at least 100 people I'll be overjoyed, it's just for fun and stuff ^^


Anyone would! Of the hundreds of conlangs, few have gotten more than a couple speakers.

You should use case markings and use verbs that don't conjugate, but add affixes to change their usage (like Japanese).

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:52 pm


Mikagi-sama
Pandora the Wonderful
Mikagi-sama
Pandora the Wonderful
What's the reason O_O;;;; /scared of finding scary truths D:

Fun 3nodding fun is good please, feel free to add on anything at all smile


Oops, I totally forgot to write the rest of my thought!

I meant that there is a reason why people aren't very receptive towards creating new languages.

I suggest you read: In the Land of Invented Languages - Arika Okrent


Ah, thank you for the link/information heart It seems very interesting, and I'd love to get around to reading it sometime 3nodding but if this conlang can reach at least 100 people I'll be overjoyed, it's just for fun and stuff ^^


Anyone would! Of the hundreds of conlangs, few have gotten more than a couple speakers.

You should use case markings and use verbs that don't conjugate, but add affixes to change their usage (like Japanese).


That's an idea...hmm...thank god these posts get saved...it'll be a lot easier to do grammar with all of this in one place 3nodding
I don't really know a lot of Japanese so I'm going to try to understand the second one in my own words,
like how you can have Watashi/Anata/Kore blahblahblah desu, but then you can do the same thing but have something on desu liked omoidesu (I've seen that somewhere, don't know what it means, or if it's correct.)? Cause...if that's not what you mean...then you'll have to explain it o-o
PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:31 am


Pandora the Wonderful
Mikagi-sama
Pandora the Wonderful
Mikagi-sama
Pandora the Wonderful
What's the reason O_O;;;; /scared of finding scary truths D:

Fun 3nodding fun is good please, feel free to add on anything at all smile


Oops, I totally forgot to write the rest of my thought!

I meant that there is a reason why people aren't very receptive towards creating new languages.

I suggest you read: In the Land of Invented Languages - Arika Okrent


Ah, thank you for the link/information heart It seems very interesting, and I'd love to get around to reading it sometime 3nodding but if this conlang can reach at least 100 people I'll be overjoyed, it's just for fun and stuff ^^


Anyone would! Of the hundreds of conlangs, few have gotten more than a couple speakers.

You should use case markings and use verbs that don't conjugate, but add affixes to change their usage (like Japanese).


That's an idea...hmm...thank god these posts get saved...it'll be a lot easier to do grammar with all of this in one place 3nodding
I don't really know a lot of Japanese so I'm going to try to understand the second one in my own words,
like how you can have Watashi/Anata/Kore blahblahblah desu, but then you can do the same thing but have something on desu liked omoidesu (I've seen that somewhere, don't know what it means, or if it's correct.)? Cause...if that's not what you mean...then you'll have to explain it o-o


What languages do you know? I'm going to use Italian as an example.

Infinitive - Mangiare (to eat)
io mangio noi mangiamo
tu mangi voi mangiate
lui/lei mangia loro mangiano

Past participle - mangiato

Italian conjugates its verbs to indicate the person talking. Having to conjugate verbs and learn to conjugate them takes time and can be difficult, especially if you have irregular verbs.
i.e

Infinitive avere

io ho noi abbiamo
tu hai voi avete
lui/ lei ha loro hanno

Past participle - avuto

Japanese, however, does not conjugate. Pronouns and topics aren't needed in the language.

食べる (taberu) to eat can mean "I eat," "you eat", "she eats" et cetera... (although usually this case means "I eat")

The verbs change depending on the meaning it wants to convey i.e. present tense, past tense, negative, negative past. And on it's level of politeness i.e. taberu - familiar tabemasu - polite itadaku - humble (really polite!). Using those forms depends on your relationship with another person.

In Italian, if you want to say "I want to go" you have to use another verb: Volere. It becomes "Io voglio andare" (Andare is "to go").

Japanese adds a suffix in this example: 行きたい (Ikitai) where "iki" is the verb "go" and -tai is the suffix implying "want".

Italian can conjugate its forms in the indicative (present, imperfect, "near past - passato prossimo", pluperfect, future, etc...), conditional, subjunctive, imperative, and the gerund.

Japanese doesn't. It's easier in that you only need to learn the new affixes in order to get your desired meaning for a sentence.

It is easier for people because you don't have to go through a long process of learning how to properly conjugate a verb in all its tense AND to accord to a person.



To add:

Kind of. "Desu" is a copula, implying "to be". "Omoi desu" "kore wa X desu" implies that something "is", but it does not conjugate: it changes to negative, past, negative past.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:59 am


I've always thought that if I ever made a conlang, it would be similar to Chinese where each word is one syllable. Except have it use the roman alphabet, of course. And instead of being tonal just give it enough individual sounds to have each word have a unique syllable. Which might be possible if you simplified words. For example, instead of having a separate verb for "fishing," combine the words for "fish" and "gathering" or something like that. Instead of "man" and "boy" make them "male adult" and "male child" (like in Chinese). And if doing that doesn't allow each individual word to have a unique syllable, perhaps make 2 different tones (upward and downward), but no more than that.

Well anyways it's just an idea sweatdrop
PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:50 pm


Mikagi-sama
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Mikagi-sama
Pandora the Wonderful
What's the reason O_O;;;; /scared of finding scary truths D:

Fun 3nodding fun is good please, feel free to add on anything at all smile


Oops, I totally forgot to write the rest of my thought!

I meant that there is a reason why people aren't very receptive towards creating new languages.

I suggest you read: In the Land of Invented Languages - Arika Okrent


Ah, thank you for the link/information heart It seems very interesting, and I'd love to get around to reading it sometime 3nodding but if this conlang can reach at least 100 people I'll be overjoyed, it's just for fun and stuff ^^


Anyone would! Of the hundreds of conlangs, few have gotten more than a couple speakers.

You should use case markings and use verbs that don't conjugate, but add affixes to change their usage (like Japanese).


That's an idea...hmm...thank god these posts get saved...it'll be a lot easier to do grammar with all of this in one place 3nodding
I don't really know a lot of Japanese so I'm going to try to understand the second one in my own words,
like how you can have Watashi/Anata/Kore blahblahblah desu, but then you can do the same thing but have something on desu liked omoidesu (I've seen that somewhere, don't know what it means, or if it's correct.)? Cause...if that's not what you mean...then you'll have to explain it o-o


What languages do you know? I'm going to use Italian as an example.

Infinitive - Mangiare (to eat)
io mangio noi mangiamo
tu mangi voi mangiate
lui/lei mangia loro mangiano

Past participle - mangiato

Italian conjugates its verbs to indicate the person talking. Having to conjugate verbs and learn to conjugate them takes time and can be difficult, especially if you have irregular verbs.
i.e

Infinitive avere

io ho noi abbiamo
tu hai voi avete
lui/ lei ha loro hanno

Past participle - avuto

Japanese, however, does not conjugate. Pronouns and topics aren't needed in the language.

食べる (taberu) to eat can mean "I eat," "you eat", "she eats" et cetera... (although usually this case means "I eat")

The verbs change depending on the meaning it wants to convey i.e. present tense, past tense, negative, negative past. And on it's level of politeness i.e. taberu - familiar tabemasu - polite itadaku - humble (really polite!). Using those forms depends on your relationship with another person.

In Italian, if you want to say "I want to go" you have to use another verb: Volere. It becomes "Io voglio andare" (Andare is "to go").

Japanese adds a suffix in this example: 行きたい (Ikitai) where "iki" is the verb "go" and -tai is the suffix implying "want".

Italian can conjugate its forms in the indicative (present, imperfect, "near past - passato prossimo", pluperfect, future, etc...), conditional, subjunctive, imperative, and the gerund.

Japanese doesn't. It's easier in that you only need to learn the new affixes in order to get your desired meaning for a sentence.

It is easier for people because you don't have to go through a long process of learning how to properly conjugate a verb in all its tense AND to accord to a person.



To add:

Kind of. "Desu" is a copula, implying "to be". "Omoi desu" "kore wa X desu" implies that something "is", but it does not conjugate: it changes to negative, past, negative past.


I see. I think I see anyway. o3o

@Ukryu: That would be interesting too smile
If it got worldwide maybe it would make it easier for Chinese speakers to learn?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:59 pm


Ukryu
I've always thought that if I ever made a conlang, it would be similar to Chinese where each word is one syllable. Except have it use the roman alphabet, of course. And instead of being tonal just give it enough individual sounds to have each word have a unique syllable. Which might be possible if you simplified words. For example, instead of having a separate verb for "fishing," combine the words for "fish" and "gathering" or something like that. Instead of "man" and "boy" make them "male adult" and "male child" (like in Chinese). And if doing that doesn't allow each individual word to have a unique syllable, perhaps make 2 different tones (upward and downward), but no more than that.

Well anyways it's just an idea sweatdrop


Basically, make words by making compounds of pre-existing morphemes? Germanic languages do that.
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