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Dragonbait

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:10 am


Hah! You can drop the "intellectual" part, since (A) you're doing the same thing, and (B) I never claimed to be anything more than a dummy.

But I'm a dummy with a degree in Psych, and who studied sociology and anthropology (primarily with a religious focus, from ancient "superstition" to modern sects). I really enjoyed the course on "primitive" religions. Like you, I find it "intriguing". And the chapter on the Nacirema was hilarious.

Is it irrational to "generalize" them? Well, I've asked around eight -- wait, no, excuse me, only seven -- and six have given me variations on "no", usually with a disgusted expression. You can call that generalizing, I call it "survey says ... ENNH!" *Big red X appears on screen.*

But on a more serious note ... do they have the same origins? Well, yes, in the sense that supposedly the basic purpose of religion is to make sense of the world (well, "primitive" religions, anyway; most "modern" religions tend to skip past that part and go straight to morality). But that's as far as it goes. These faiths that are created by man (which is most of them) have that basic purpose ... but that's not the same as an origin, a common creator or source.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:45 am


Dragonbait
Hah! You can drop the "intellectual" part, since (A) you're doing the same thing, and (B) I never claimed to be anything more than a dummy.

But I'm a dummy with a degree in Psych, and who studied sociology and anthropology (primarily with a religious focus, from ancient "superstition" to modern sects). I really enjoyed the course on "primitive" religions. Like you, I find it "intriguing". And the chapter on the Nacirema was hilarious.

Is it irrational to "generalize" them? Well, I've asked around eight -- wait, no, excuse me, only seven -- and six have given me variations on "no", usually with a disgusted expression. You can call that generalizing, I call it "survey says ... ENNH!" *Big red X appears on screen.*

But on a more serious note ... do they have the same origins? Well, yes, in the sense that supposedly the basic purpose of religion is to make sense of the world (well, "primitive" religions, anyway; most "modern" religions tend to skip past that part and go straight to morality). But that's as far as it goes. These faiths that are created by man (which is most of them) have that basic purpose ... but that's not the same as an origin, a common creator or source.


SO tell me since you have studied anthropology,Is europa and asia related?

Answer apparently is yes,since artifacts in central asia WERE just discovered recently,The find was astounding since Archaeologists had this conception that Men evolved culture in Isolation without help from one another BUT as RECENT findings suggests they were WRONG.So the archaeologists so sure about themselves are now in an "OOPS we were wrong phase" yes?

It is also noted that the triceratops didn't exists since it was found RECENTLY that the protrusions were just a part of a developmental stage.

This shows a trend that History and evidence is just speculation until it is YET AGAIN proven to be wrong.

You are a pseudo intellectual because you think that everything around you has been answered,you stopped because you think what you know will stay the same.



a common creator or source


And so we circle back to the beginning of my question,There has been no artifacts to ever been uncovered from Noah's era,I question Noah did have conversation with God then surely there is something in history that would be written about God and is it the same as it was written in the bible?

p.s. Handwriting was existent in Noah's time,if you didn't know about that.

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Dragonbait

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:06 am


We've known that European and Asian cultures have been connected (in ancient times) since the 1970s, actually. At least, I've got books printed at that time that show some of the evidence -- and anyone with half a brain can look at two huge cultures on the same landmass and assume that they've had contact (we could consider Alexander the Great, who travelled as far as India -- and we know that India and China had contact. And the Japanese are actually Chinese immigrants; only the Ainu are "native" Japanese). Oh, sure, back in the day, there weren't as many people who believed it (or cared), but it's not exactly "news".

The Triceratops ... eh, that one, I'd have to look into. You understand if I can't take a single source as the final authority, especially since that source has already confessed to personally disliking me and is insulting my intelligence. It wouldn't surprise me if you were accurate; I mean, it's now commonly accepted that dinosaurs were/are related to modern birds, rather than giant lizards.

As for "artifacts uncovered", well ... there's plenty of archaeological evidence for a global flood (not to mention countless smaller local floods, of course), there's anecdotal evidence from cultures all over the globe, and there's something that looks like a large boat (broken) sitting on a mountaintop in Turkey. Almost nobody is allowed near it, due to its position along a disputed border, so we can't exactly test it ... but there may be a man-made "artifact" there.

However, if you mean written records ... well, we could argue that maybe the Genesis account was copied from those records. Keep in mind, though, that since the vast majority of human civilization was supposedly destroyed by the flood (I mean, obviously some buildings and whatnot survived), it's not surprising if there's not a lot of written records floating around. Especially since people in Noah's time probably thought he was a flake, and didn't write down what he was doing.

Now, since you've clearly descended to personal attacks -- and I speak here not as the person you're talking to, but as the Crew member and Mod -- I would suggest you either drop the attitude, or drop the conversation.

PS: Well, duh.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:10 pm


We've known that European and Asian cultures have been connected (in ancient times) since the 1970s, actually. At least, I've got books printed at that time that show some of the evidence -- and anyone with half a brain can look at two huge cultures on the same landmass and assume that they've had contact (we could consider Alexander the Great, who travelled as far as India -- and we know that India and China had contact. And the Japanese are actually Chinese immigrants; only the Ainu are "native" Japanese). Oh, sure, back in the day, there weren't as many people who believed it (or cared), but it's not exactly "news".

You're assuming I am talking about the bronze age yes?,No I am talking about pre-bronze age not the immigration period,the period where culture was flourishing everywhere. the first horse culture was found,isn't that interesting?A man with european clothing was found with Central asia with his dead horse and a saddle.The first ever account of a horse w/c was formerly "assumed" that the first ever tamed horse came from Armenia/Pontic steppes,Yet here they find it in central asia.
fun trivia:they also found traces of marijuana in the same tribe in the steppes.lol.First ever.


However, if you mean written records ... well, we could argue that maybe the Genesis account was copied from those records. Keep in mind, though, that since the vast majority of human civilization was supposedly destroyed by the flood (I mean, obviously some buildings and whatnot survived), it's not surprising if there's not a lot of written records floating around. Especially since people in Noah's time probably thought he was a flake, and didn't write down what he was doing.

You're wrong again,after the great flood it is obvious that everyone else is dead yes?,How can Noah be called a fluke if all that remains is his family?,I am talking about post-flood where Noah and his family started to migrate,Its interesting what they did then,did they build a new civilization?,Did they have further communication with God?,Where was the first city established?,Is it made of stone?

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Dragonbait

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:16 am


Let me rephrase. Noah's neighbors, before the flood, probably thought he was a flake (meaning crazy), not fluke (random accident), and thus didn't bother to write down what he was doing. After the flood, his only neighbors were his relatives, and obviously somebody did write it down.

And the rest of this is not only old news, but totally unrelated to your original statements. If you're trying to reach a point, please reach it.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:38 pm


I think it's pretty obvious at this point you're simply just trying to "win an argument," Shigeru. Do you even have a point to this thread?

I'm no expert on anthropology or anything like that. I think Bait has made some valid points, and you've only been insulting him or asking off-topic questions in order to sound "superior." Please, as Bait requested, drop the attitude or drop the discussion.

The Bible was authored by God, it is His Word. And there are plenty of non-Biblical sources to back up the history. One example would be the story of Gilgamesh being a source that there was a global flood. If you read the Bible (Genesis 10), then you would see the genealogy after Noah and his family and that they spread out to different places.

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viper_353

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:06 pm


(I'm sorry, I didn't have time to read the whole discussion so I'm just going to answer what the thread started off with!!)
I believe in what the bible says completely! There is one true God, and he sent his son-Jesus Christ down to earth to die in a way so terrible that it changed forever the whole way we interact with God. And also, I think that if God exists, created the ENTIRE universe and is amazing enough to know every detail of your life....wouldn't he be big enough to not ahve people mess around with his word? Haha, the whole "what if the bible isn't right" thing I just don't understand why people think it, you eiher believe in Jesus' incredible love for you and all of the bible, or I guess you don't. Haha, and I don't understand what you meant about priests--where I come from, pastors are just as much people as you or I, and are subject to the same mistakes.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:52 am


I'm sure the Lord appreciates your support, Viper. But given that Shigeru's not been by to comment in over a week ... I don't think we need worry 'bout him much more. Now, we just pray for the scales to be lifted from his eyes, yes?

Dragonbait

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