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 Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:26 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:35 pm
If you don't subject yourself to governmental oversight then there's no one to ensure your rights aren't wrenched from you by some a*****e with a bigger stick.
The idea of sovereign citizenship is flawed based upon that. It's like saying that anarchy is a good system of government because you can govern yourself. You can govern yourself, but you can't keep the guy down the street from getting a gang together and looting your s**t. This is why we have federal and state government in the first place.
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:51 am
Obscurus If you don't subject yourself to governmental oversight then there's no one to ensure your rights aren't wrenched from you by some a*****e with a bigger stick. The idea of sovereign citizenship is flawed based upon that. It's like saying that anarchy is a good system of government because you can govern yourself. You can govern yourself, but you can't keep the guy down the street from getting a gang together and looting your s**t. This is why we have federal and state government in the first place. its not anarcy, its a legal removing you from the limits unconstutionally placed on you. some law still applys to you. but look more into it for yourself if your interested
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:31 pm
Hoshioni Obscurus If you don't subject yourself to governmental oversight then there's no one to ensure your rights aren't wrenched from you by some a*****e with a bigger stick. The idea of sovereign citizenship is flawed based upon that. It's like saying that anarchy is a good system of government because you can govern yourself. You can govern yourself, but you can't keep the guy down the street from getting a gang together and looting your s**t. This is why we have federal and state government in the first place. its not anarcy, its a legal removing you from the limits unconstutionally placed on you. some law still applys to you. but look more into it for yourself if your interested What limits are unconstitutionally placed? If the limits are unconstitutional then they don't apply in the first place.
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:36 pm
I think the reason being sovereign has gained popularity recently is because supposedly "they" can not force you to take vaccines or go to their FEMA camps if you are not a united states citizen. You'll have no "number" in the system, so very few of "their" rules will apply to you. Also, many sovereign websites and videos explain that "we the people" of the constitution, actually only applies to sovereigns, and not united states citizens. i remember hearing something like citizenship was first created for the released slaves and gradually in the great depression, spread to everyone else, i think starting with newborns.
there are some huge problems you have to work around if you want to live a sovereign life style though. you can not work a normal job, you will always have to work under the table or freelance. also, you are still allowed to drive non-commercial vehicles but you wont be able to get a license plate, registration or a drivers license. So when the cops pull you over you will have a very hard time convincing them that you are legal. You will most likely be detained and have your vehicle towed and then everything will be sorted out once in jail, but you'll probably still have to pay the impound fee.
there are other problems but I'll leave it at that. basically, if you want to be sovereign, you need to live a self sufficient lifestyle that doesn't rely on the system.
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:30 pm
i know all that @ truther, but i noticed there wasnt a tread so I wanted to share the information.
i think if enough people were it would help show how enslaved we are now
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:08 pm
So what's to stop "them" from just kicking your sovereign self out of their country? You aren't a citizen so why are you there?
See where I'm going with this?
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:42 am
Obscurus So what's to stop "them" from just kicking your sovereign self out of their country? You aren't a citizen so why are you there? See where I'm going with this? well i do get your point. they didn't remove natives from the country, but they did relocate them from their land. sovereign people usually belong to the "state" they live in though (they do get IDs and even passports), so i still think that currently the government would have a hard time doing as they please with sovereigns. that doesn't mean they can't make some new laws to do otherwise though.
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:25 pm
TrutherMei Obscurus So what's to stop "them" from just kicking your sovereign self out of their country? You aren't a citizen so why are you there? See where I'm going with this? well i do get your point. they didn't remove natives from the country, but they did relocate them from their land. sovereign people usually belong to the "state" they live in though (they do get IDs and even passports), so i still think that currently the government would have a hard time doing as they please with sovereigns. that doesn't mean they can't make some new laws to do otherwise though. They can do whatever they want with you because you're in their country. You can claim to be sovereign all you want but you still have to play by their rules.
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:42 pm
TrutherMei Obscurus So what's to stop "them" from just kicking your sovereign self out of their country? You aren't a citizen so why are you there? See where I'm going with this? well i do get your point. they didn't remove natives from the country, but they did relocate them from their land. sovereign people usually belong to the "state" they live in though (they do get IDs and even passports), so i still think that currently the government would have a hard time doing as they please with sovereigns. that doesn't mean they can't make some new laws to do otherwise though. but you see its one of those loopholes they have to make so there immune to there traps. the problem getting this is thqat a normal law praticer will not fight it for you for me the key of it would to make people see our lack of freedom, this one move shows how many wrong restrictions are on you, everone has at least one that annoys them. so what it does is motivate people on there own will 4 there own gain, and if they move agiasntt them thell resist. 4 themselfs
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:22 am
Hoshioni Obscurus If you don't subject yourself to governmental oversight then there's no one to ensure your rights aren't wrenched from you by some a*****e with a bigger stick. The idea of sovereign citizenship is flawed based upon that. It's like saying that anarchy is a good system of government because you can govern yourself. You can govern yourself, but you can't keep the guy down the street from getting a gang together and looting your s**t. This is why we have federal and state government in the first place. its not anarcy, its a legal removing you from the limits unconstutionally placed on you. some law still applys to you. but look more into it for yourself if your interested The only thing it does is take you off voter registration.
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:47 pm
The rose in spring Hoshioni Obscurus If you don't subject yourself to governmental oversight then there's no one to ensure your rights aren't wrenched from you by some a*****e with a bigger stick. The idea of sovereign citizenship is flawed based upon that. It's like saying that anarchy is a good system of government because you can govern yourself. You can govern yourself, but you can't keep the guy down the street from getting a gang together and looting your s**t. This is why we have federal and state government in the first place. its not anarcy, its a legal removing you from the limits unconstutionally placed on you. some law still applys to you. but look more into it for yourself if your interested The only thing it does is take you off voter registration. it does other things.....>> sheesh you guys are downers it seems
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:26 pm
Hoshioni The rose in spring Hoshioni Obscurus If you don't subject yourself to governmental oversight then there's no one to ensure your rights aren't wrenched from you by some a*****e with a bigger stick. The idea of sovereign citizenship is flawed based upon that. It's like saying that anarchy is a good system of government because you can govern yourself. You can govern yourself, but you can't keep the guy down the street from getting a gang together and looting your s**t. This is why we have federal and state government in the first place. its not anarcy, its a legal removing you from the limits unconstutionally placed on you. some law still applys to you. but look more into it for yourself if your interested The only thing it does is take you off voter registration. it does other things.....>> sheesh you guys are downers it seems What else does it do? Lay it all out for us. And I like to think that we're just being realistic.
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