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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:39 am
*Right off the bat, this is not a thread for discussing summoning, contracting or anything of the sort.* It is intended for the discussion of whether or not evil beings exist. I use the word "demon" only because it is the term I was taught from childhood, I know the whole daemon, which is a Greek word for describing any spirit entity. I use it to mean any malevolent non-physical being that is, for lack of a better word, evil. I am open to people using other words for it, such as, dark spirits, poltergeists (for "angry" ghosts), or dark fae (though I've only heard that term once). Further, this thread does differentiate between elementals (i.e. undines, sylphs, etc.) totem spirits, fae (fairies, nixies, etc.) familiars, etc. from malevolent being. This thread is for discussing whether or not these beings exist and evidence for or against their existence.
I realize that this thread is precariously peached on a slippery slope, so here are some of my suggestions as to what would be within bounds, as I understand it, evidence of dark entities through personal experience, second hand experience, reliable written accounts, sudden recoveries after exorcisms or the equivalent, faith or philosophy based info, etc. though this is a restatement I feel I must repeat: this is not a thread for discussing summoning, contracting or anything of the sort. It is a discussion on their existence in relation to magic, evidence and belief.
Post scripta: clarification: I do not mean an absolute evil in the sense of the Abrahamic Devil.
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:48 pm
I think to inherently call them "evil" probably isn't appropriate. Are there entities/beings who have purposes that might seem malevolent to us - sure. However on the whole I don't think that harming/harassing humans is their goal (unless someone has pissed them off for whatever reason). Most of the time if we ignore them, they won't bother us.
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:05 pm
Existence of enitities, good, bad, evil, have been recorded and lost through the age of humanity. While the modern day powers of religion;Christianity, Catholism, etc. Like to illustrate clearly that there are, I would have to be inclined that there is more than black and white.
In my experience as an investigator, and tracker. I have seen good and evil. There are good entities that if agitated can be a nuissance, but not harmful or evil. There are what i like to call Frozen entites, these entities often were a result of a horrific incident so the entity and sometimes the area they are haunting is frozen in a loop of that moment and their actions are mistaken for harmful when all they know of is trying to save themselves. Then there is the evil entities. They are aware of this world as much as we are about the sky being blue.
Demons, for example are evil spirits never born into the world. These are the worst and most troublesome. They come through summoning, contracts, and of course the cracks between the worlds. Their existence is truth, but rare. While there be a great number of them, they are in slim quantity to the dark entities.
Dark entities are the spirits of those dead that were tainted and while sinful in life, now more so in death. They are often mistaken for demons, but they are not near as powerful, and slightly less harmful. So when dealing with such you must be able to know the difference, because getting rid of Demons and Dark Entities is different procedures from one another.
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:21 pm
Victor Black256 Existence of enitities, good, bad, evil, have been recorded and lost through the age of humanity. While the modern day powers of religion;Christianity, Catholism, etc. Like to illustrate clearly that there are, I would have to be inclined that there is more than black and white. In my experience as an investigator, and tracker. I have seen good and evil. There are good entities that if agitated can be a nuissance, but not harmful or evil. There are what i like to call Frozen entites, these entities often were a result of a horrific incident so the entity and sometimes the area they are haunting is frozen in a loop of that moment and their actions are mistaken for harmful when all they know of is trying to save themselves. Then there is the evil entities. They are aware of this world as much as we are about the sky being blue. Demons, for example are evil spirits never born into the world. These are the worst and most troublesome. They come through summoning, contracts, and of course the cracks between the worlds. Their existence is truth, but rare. While there be a great number of them, they are in slim quantity to the dark entities. Dark entities are the spirits of those dead that were tainted and while sinful in life, now more so in death. They are often mistaken for demons, but they are not near as powerful, and slightly less harmful. So when dealing with such you must be able to know the difference, because getting rid of Demons and Dark Entities is different procedures from one another. very well thought out smile , The only thing that I didn't get was what you refer to as cracks between worlds, did you mean ones that simply naturally occur or the ones like a door someone forgot to close, or even both?, personally I agree with your theory that there are both good and evil spirits but 2toosweet brings up a good point, why would any other worldly being have the sole purpose of causing harm? thats how I understand what she said at least.
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:42 pm
oceantail Victor Black256 Existence of enitities, good, bad, evil, have been recorded and lost through the age of humanity. While the modern day powers of religion;Christianity, Catholism, etc. Like to illustrate clearly that there are, I would have to be inclined that there is more than black and white. In my experience as an investigator, and tracker. I have seen good and evil. There are good entities that if agitated can be a nuissance, but not harmful or evil. There are what i like to call Frozen entites, these entities often were a result of a horrific incident so the entity and sometimes the area they are haunting is frozen in a loop of that moment and their actions are mistaken for harmful when all they know of is trying to save themselves. Then there is the evil entities. They are aware of this world as much as we are about the sky being blue. Demons, for example are evil spirits never born into the world. These are the worst and most troublesome. They come through summoning, contracts, and of course the cracks between the worlds. Their existence is truth, but rare. While there be a great number of them, they are in slim quantity to the dark entities. Dark entities are the spirits of those dead that were tainted and while sinful in life, now more so in death. They are often mistaken for demons, but they are not near as powerful, and slightly less harmful. So when dealing with such you must be able to know the difference, because getting rid of Demons and Dark Entities is different procedures from one another. very well thought out smile , The only thing that I didn't get was what you refer to as cracks between worlds, did you mean ones that simply naturally occur or the ones like a door someone forgot to close, or even both?, personally I agree with your theory that there are both good and evil spirits but 2toosweet brings up a good point, why would any other worldly being have the sole purpose of causing harm? thats how I understand what she said at least. To rebuttle her theory, Demons are the creation of Lucifer, or fallen angels. THey all used to be angels. So they had knowledge of man before. And there is evidence of clues that there was humans before the prehistoric times. Though archaeologially there is no definite say so, there are clues in religious texts, as well as the knowledge one might achieve during periods when one hasan experience of enlightenment. Also you have the souls of those dead that do go to hell and are tormented. They clearly have knowledge of something if they are intelligent enough to communicate with us. When i refer to "cracks", you are right in thinking of unclosed portals, but there are natural fissures between worlds. That is how Lucifer first appeared to Adam and Eve, in the christian faith. There are not many around the world, but they exist. There was an incident of one being at the bottom of a well in the New England area of the USA. That one I am more familiar with. Many spirits tormented by a demon haunted this little boy and eventually when the boy was exhausted from all of the bombardment the demon possessed him and nearly killed him. thankfully the Catholic church was brought in at the right time and saved the boy in an Exorcism. I personally came across a fissure that went straight through my neighborhood and I came toe to toe with a demon. Having experience I was able to combat it before it was able to do much harm to me or anyone else. Remember, We are the middle ground, battlefield between Heaven and Hell. We are conduits for the greater good, or prey for the looming Evil.
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:03 pm
I must put in my opinion I am afraid. Not meaning to make this about demons but I protect what I holds my interest tooth and nail. Immediately calling demons evil is not true. It is like saying all Fae dance around all the time and pick flowers and are these happy creatures that can do no harm. Yes most of them possess the power to harm us if they want and most do, but that doesn't mean all do.
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:09 pm
Lunar-Heartbreak I must put in my opinion I am afraid. Not meaning to make this about demons but I protect what I holds my interest tooth and nail. Immediately calling demons evil is not true. It is like saying all Fae dance around all the time and pick flowers and are these happy creatures that can do no harm. Yes most of them possess the power to harm us if they want and most do, but that doesn't mean all do. I understand, but this thread is not about the benign ones, I to believe that most spirits either are amicable or as afraid of us as we are of them but in the opening I did say: Quote: this thread does differentiate between elementals (i.e. undines, sylphs, etc.) totem spirits, fae (fairies, nixies, etc.) familiars, etc. from malevolent being. I thank you for your opinion none the less
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