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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:44 pm
Something that a lot of people don't know about psychic phenomena is that there are documented physical correlations with the manifestation of psi abilities. The examples that I am aware of are:
Geomagnetic Activity: The work of M. A. Persinger and G. B. Schaut, and W. G. Roll and L. Gearhart shows that spontaneous cases of telepathy correlate negatively with fluctuations in geomagnetic activity while "poltergeist" activity (or Recurrent Spontaneous Psychokinetic Activity, if you want to use the more modern term) correlates positively with fluctuations in geomagnetic activity. D. Radin has shown that in some cases animal psi also correlates with geomagnetic fluctuations.
Local Sidereal Time: It has been shown by both E. C. May and S. J. P. Spottiswoode that the results of ESP studies correlates with Local Sidereal Time (LST). For those unfamiliar with LST, it is the position of the stars relative to the observer. It was found that the ESP scores increase three-fold within an hour either way of 13:30 LST. Most of the data used in this study was collected at northern latitudes and at 13:30 LST for these latitudes the center of the galaxy is below the horizon.
Electrodermal Activity: This is the electrical activity of the skin. W. G. Braud, M. J. Schlitz, D. Radin, and S. LaBerge have all done work in this area. It has been found that attempting to influence another person by psi has effects on skin conductivity. This change in skin conductivity can also occur precognitively. When emotionally provocative pictures are presented to the individual, the skin conductance, heart rate, and blood volume are affected not only when the picture is shown but two seconds before the picture is shown. Neutral or calm pictures interspersed with the provocative ones do not get this same response.
The first and the last one of these makes me lean towards an electromagnetic theory of psi. I see that as being the most easily assimilated into what we already know. There are some problems with the EM theory though because Faraday cages seem to have little or no effect on psi functioning and distance does not seem to be an issue in some studies. This is perplexing because we think we know the limitations and abilities of electromagnetism and the aforementioned properties seem to defy them.
Anyway, I was hoping this would stir some discussion. Maybe I'll make another topic sometime about the psychological factors associated with manifestations of psi.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:31 pm
I really haven't anything to refute or discuss, sir. Merely add an observation, if I may. This is most fascinating, as it widens my comprehension of certain matters I usually do not delve in for a lack of knowledge, interest or both...albeit it is something that has always puzzled me. How can extrasensory abilities be measured in numbers? ... I am sure the body reacts to them in some fashion so that these may be recorded as having a physical/material effect. Anyway, thank you for sharing this. That is the least I can do for your effort to bring the information over.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:31 pm
XxLeComtesseAndrogynexX I really haven't anything to refute or discuss, sir. Merely add an observation, if I may. This is most fascinating, as it widens my comprehension of certain matters I usually do not delve in for a lack of knowledge, interest or both...albeit it is something that has always puzzled me. How can extrasensory abilities be measured in numbers? ... I am sure the body reacts to them in some fashion so that these may be recorded as having a physical/material effect. Anyway, thank you for sharing this. That is the least I can do for your effort to bring the information over. The results of ESP tests are what correlate with LST and geomagnetic activity. Electrodermal activity is easier to measure. Just knowing that there are physical correlations with psi shows that it's not quite as mystical as we may have once thought and provides an avenue for developing new experiments that may allow us to quantify psi and hopefully eventually understand it. In case you can't tell, I find all of this extremely interesting. xd
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:12 pm
Obscurus Something that a lot of people don't know about psychic phenomena is that there are documented physical correlations with the manifestation of psi abilities. Geomagnetic Activity: The work of M. A. Persinger and G. B. Schaut, and W. G. Roll and L. Gearhart shows that spontaneous cases of telepathy correlate negatively with fluctuations in geomagnetic activity while "poltergeist" activity (or Recurrent Spontaneous Psychokinetic Activity, if you want to use the more modern term) correlates positively with fluctuations in geomagnetic activity. D. Radin has shown that in some cases animal psi also correlates with geomagnetic fluctuations. If you don't mind my asking, what exactly is animal psi? And what exactly are these psychic phenomenon correlating with? "Fluctuations"? The intensity of fluctuations, the amount of times a...zone of land, I'm guessing, is fluctuating? I'm not sure I follow.Obscurus Local Sidereal Time: It has been shown by both E. C. May and S. J. P. Spottiswoode that the results of ESP studies correlates with Local Sidereal Time (LST). For those unfamiliar with LST, it is the position of the stars relative to the observer. It was found that the ESP scores increase three-fold within an hour either way of 13:30 LST. Most of the data used in this study was collected at northern latitudes and at 13:30 LST for these latitudes the center of the galaxy is below the horizon. I would like to make sure that you're trying to define LST as a 'physical' correlation here, but the fact is that I still can't wrap my head around LST in general. sad Obscurus Electrodermal Activity: This is the electrical activity of the skin. W. G. Braud, M. J. Schlitz, D. Radin, and S. LaBerge have all done work in this area. It has been found that attempting to influence another person by psi has effects on skin conductivity. This change in skin conductivity can also occur precognitively. When emotionally provocative pictures are presented to the individual, the skin conductance, heart rate, and blood volume are affected not only when the picture is shown but two seconds before the picture is shown. Neutral or calm pictures interspersed with the provocative ones do not get this same response. In this study, how were the pictures presented to the individuals being studied? Very interesting.Obscurus The first and the last one of these makes me lean towards an electromagnetic theory of psi. I see that as being the most easily assimilated into what we already know. There are some problems with the EM theory though because Faraday cages seem to have little or no effect on psi functioning and distance does not seem to be an issue in some studies. This is perplexing because we think we know the limitations and abilities of electromagnetism and the aforementioned properties seem to defy them. Anyway, I was hoping this would stir some discussion. Maybe I'll make another topic sometime about the psychological factors associated with manifestations of psi. Quite interesting to mull over, Obscurus, and I must thank you profusely for contributing such a nice topic to help the MPRILC get back into gear. Looking forward to your responses to my questions, as well.
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:49 pm
Subrosian Obscurus Something that a lot of people don't know about psychic phenomena is that there are documented physical correlations with the manifestation of psi abilities. Geomagnetic Activity: The work of M. A. Persinger and G. B. Schaut, and W. G. Roll and L. Gearhart shows that spontaneous cases of telepathy correlate negatively with fluctuations in geomagnetic activity while "poltergeist" activity (or Recurrent Spontaneous Psychokinetic Activity, if you want to use the more modern term) correlates positively with fluctuations in geomagnetic activity. D. Radin has shown that in some cases animal psi also correlates with geomagnetic fluctuations. If you don't mind my asking, what exactly is animal psi? And what exactly are these psychic phenomenon correlating with? "Fluctuations"? The intensity of fluctuations, the amount of times a...zone of land, I'm guessing, is fluctuating? I'm not sure I follow.Obscurus Local Sidereal Time: It has been shown by both E. C. May and S. J. P. Spottiswoode that the results of ESP studies correlates with Local Sidereal Time (LST). For those unfamiliar with LST, it is the position of the stars relative to the observer. It was found that the ESP scores increase three-fold within an hour either way of 13:30 LST. Most of the data used in this study was collected at northern latitudes and at 13:30 LST for these latitudes the center of the galaxy is below the horizon. I would like to make sure that you're trying to define LST as a 'physical' correlation here, but the fact is that I still can't wrap my head around LST in general. sad Obscurus Electrodermal Activity: This is the electrical activity of the skin. W. G. Braud, M. J. Schlitz, D. Radin, and S. LaBerge have all done work in this area. It has been found that attempting to influence another person by psi has effects on skin conductivity. This change in skin conductivity can also occur precognitively. When emotionally provocative pictures are presented to the individual, the skin conductance, heart rate, and blood volume are affected not only when the picture is shown but two seconds before the picture is shown. Neutral or calm pictures interspersed with the provocative ones do not get this same response. In this study, how were the pictures presented to the individuals being studied? Very interesting.Obscurus The first and the last one of these makes me lean towards an electromagnetic theory of psi. I see that as being the most easily assimilated into what we already know. There are some problems with the EM theory though because Faraday cages seem to have little or no effect on psi functioning and distance does not seem to be an issue in some studies. This is perplexing because we think we know the limitations and abilities of electromagnetism and the aforementioned properties seem to defy them. Anyway, I was hoping this would stir some discussion. Maybe I'll make another topic sometime about the psychological factors associated with manifestations of psi. Quite interesting to mull over, Obscurus, and I must thank you profusely for contributing such a nice topic to help the MPRILC get back into gear. Looking forward to your responses to my questions, as well.Animal psi is psi functioning in animals. An instance is of a dog named Jaytee that knew when its owner was coming home. An analysis by Radin has shown that Jaytee's anticipatory behavior was lowered when global geomagnetic flux was higher. As to the geomagnetic fluctuations in general, I assume that it refers to total geomagnetic activity, rather than localized fluctuations. I'm not sure if it's ever specifically mentioned though. Considering the nature of the analysis, I think it would almost have to be global. As far as what's changing, I assume that it means that the "base" geomagnetic field is changing sharply from how it normally behaves. I'm not an expert on geomagnetism so I can't really delve too deeply into it, just that there are correlations between high/low fluctuations and PK/ESP. The interpretation (this same idea comes into play later) seems to be that the flux of the Earth's magnetic field causes interference in perception and processing of the psi signal (as there is evidence that psi is processed in the brain similar to the other senses). Local sidereal time is kind of mind bending at first but it's really not that complicated. LST is not the same for all places on Earth. If you go outside at night and look at the stars long enough, you'll see that they appear to move as the night goes on. If you watch long enough, you'll notice that they appear to rotate around Polaris. That means that any point in the firmament will change its position relative to where you are looking at it from. At your specific LST, the center of the galaxy might be below the horizon because of your position on the Earth. Somewhere else on Earth it might be above the horizon, relative to the observer. In the physical correlation of LST with psi, it's been found that psi appears stronger when the center of the galaxy is below the horizon. The seems to suggest that the Earth is shielding the subject from some kind of interference emitted by the center of the galaxy. Again we're back to the idea of interference with the relatively weak psi signal. My understanding is that in the studies involving showing images to subjects, the images were displayed on screens while the subjects responses were recorded. Talking about all of this only fuels my thought process and allows me to work through problems in my ideas.
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