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 Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:26 pm
Personally, I think pacifism is quite doable, because I'm an open pacifist at school all the time, correcting people's usage of the word 'gay,' for example, or when someone explodes with a 'I really hate blah,' I always respond saying, 'Don't hate, love!' People think I'm a bit odd that way, but it's worth it!!' biggrin
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:58 pm
Aetheling Personally, I think pacifism is quite doable, because I'm an open pacifist at school all the time, correcting people's usage of the word 'gay,' for example, or when someone explodes with a 'I really hate blah,' I always respond saying, 'Don't hate, love!' People think I'm a bit odd that way, but it's worth it!!' biggrin ^rock on. ^ As for me, I don't know if pacifism can really work on a large, world-wide scale. I mean, there are always going to be people who start wars. but I practice nonviolence in my daily life. Every little bit makes a difference, right? I make a point not to argue with people, I don't hate anyone, I certainly don't use physical aggression to get what I want. I think as an individual, life is wonderful if it is peaceful.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:03 pm
[dammit. I wrote something inspiring but Gaia ate it. Maybe next time I'm inspired... I'm too frustrated to re-write it now... *sigh*]
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:27 pm
KrauseMouse [dammit. I wrote something inspiring but Gaia ate it. Maybe next time I'm inspired... I'm too frustrated to re-write it now... *sigh*] *pats on head* I'm sure you'll get inspired again...*sics her muse on Mouse*
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:28 pm
S-midori, that's beautiful! Life is good, and it should be lived for every moment. I just don't understand people who hate . . and people who can toss that word around so easily. I don't hate anyone, and I'm confused how anyone can, really. Once we respect each other's differences and learn to love one another as just imperfect human beings, special and unique in our own ways, I'm sure that day of 'world peace' won't be too far off . . . but that is very optimistic. wink
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:20 pm
Pasifisim relys on people feeling equal to all others, and being nice. Communisim relys on people bing nice. Democracy relys on people being smart.
In other words Pasifism and Communism are more likely then a true working democracy. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:57 pm
Darkfist007 Pasifisim relys on people feeling equal to all others, and being nice. Communisim relys on people bing nice. Democracy relys on people being smart. In other words Pasifism and Communism are more likely then a true working democracy. sweatdrop Actually, I'd say that democracy relies more on the assumption that more than half the populace know what's right. Or at least that more than half can be lead into voting a certain way. Personally, I'm not an announced pacifist, but I generally try to keep good will towards others. My basic rule is to let the other person in any relationship set the pace. If they decide to hold something against me or try to take advantage of me in my good nature, I'll react in kind. And I try to stay the sort of person that one does not want as an adversary in any circumstance. It's been my experience that people just want to be treated with respect, and if that is established you can get along with them no matter what sort of character they are. It might also be worthwile to note that I've managed to avoid ever having to fight anyone outside of consentual sparring. ..Bit long winded, and I know that I'm not the most articulate, but I hope you all can comprehend what I'm trying to say. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:22 am
On the small, individual scale, pacifism works great. Even on the national level, if the nation is small enough. But there are too many short-tempered, violent, arrogant people on this planet for pacifism to work on a global scale.
I'm not sure how many of you are anime fans, but I'm going to use anime to illistrate my point here.
Gundam Wing. It's loaded with political undertones and ideals, and takes place during a war. The space colonies orbiting Earth want independence. Earth wants the colonies under their thumb. So a war breaks out.
One of the main characters is a girl named Relena Peacecraft. Relena follows a policy of total pacifism; her biggest goal throughout the entire series and beyond is to end the war and keep another from starting. She remains nonviolent throughout the entire series, with one exception - she does attempt to kill the woman responsible for her father's death.
Another character is a boy named Chang Wufei. Wufei lived on one of the older colonies with his family, and follows the path of a warrior. Earth authorities killed his wife and attempted to blow up the colony they lived on. Wufei wants revenge, so he leaves the colony to fight in the war. While he's away, the colony is destroyed, killing his entire clan. Now Wufei has no reason to live, except to fight.
So who's right here? Relena, who believes that all mankind is basically good, and willpower is all it takes to prevent war? Or Wufei, who says that mankind is too power-hungry, too vain, to live as a peaceful whole?
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:45 am
Well, here's the thing...
No matter who you are or what you believe, all philosophies are Sophistries. Oooh, I gotta use that in a song.
*writes that down...*
Ahem... okay.
What I mean is that no matter what you believe in, in won't ever work because every philosophy depends on EVERYONE following it exactly to the finest point.
Therefore, pacifism cannot be a solution, because human beings are not peaceful creatures. As long as there are people who cause pain, there will be people who reciprocate it. That's how wars begin.
The ironic part is that I'm in a computer lab at school and everyone else around me is playing Unreal Tournament... lol
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:10 am
Darkfist007 Pacifism relies on people feeling equal to all others, and being nice. Communism relies on people being nice. Democracy relies on people being smart. In other words Pacifism and Communism are more likely then a true working democracy. sweatdrop you're very right, the way I see it pacifism relies on people caring for the well-being of others, communism relies on people working hard, unselfishly, and Democracy relies on people being smart. but as I understand, in both my analysis and yours the first two equality/caring and Niceness/unselfishness are both rooted in human nature. being smart is easier for some than others, but anyone can be educated, and everyone is getting gradually smarter. so democracy has more of a chance that that communism, and it's chances improve with time. Perfect Democracy is peaceful within it's self, so as democracy progresses, Pacifism is made possible. Pacifism cannot hold on it's own however... sadly, because it's against most peoples instincts.
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:15 am
Myself, I'm one of those individual pacifists. I don't fight for anything but athletic improvement and possible self defence (Kung Fu), and I do my very best to set an example that people can follow, and do my very best to make them:
A. notice that I'm setting the example
B. Reflect on thier own actions/thoughts so that they can realize that they should and might change.
_=--
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:49 pm
I live a total pacifist lifestyle. So should all. The only way we can stop the violence is to stop being violent. Violence Begets violence, and we see this all the time.
Hey, have anyof the other practicing pacifists had to actually turn the cheek? I have several times.
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