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 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:37 pm
What kind of right do you have to call them beliefs?
I don't know about you, but I'm overjoyed when someone challenges one of my beliefs. Gives me a chance to kick the living crap out of someone, and show them the light at the same time.
Or!
It will show me that my belief is *wrong*, and it will cease to be a belief of mine.
Potshots, even, are welcome. If you can take a low blow at one of *my* beliefs, more power to you, it's my fault for not covering such a delicate area. So long as it remains relevant and you're not being a halfwit, I'd actually prefer it if you would challenge my beliefs. As I'm secure enough with them to get behind them, and will see to making changes if you prove them to be shoddy beliefs.
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Why are people so offended when you decide to attack theirs? If they're wrong, well..... In all honesty, they could use something better to get behind. If they're right, then what problem is there? If it's a different view sort of thing..... Then why not just state your opinions differ and move on?
I'm actually rather confused.
Are they frightened of what would happen if their moral standpoint was toppled?
They enjoy the bliss of ignorance?
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I couldn't justify it past that point, even. It baffles me. Wouldn't someone want to be corrected if they're following a fatal flaw?
I wish to know why people get so needlessly angry.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:00 pm
People don't like having their beliefs attacked because nobody knows how to attack beliefs.
Is not like logic, there are no rules of engagement, so a winner can never be determined.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:05 pm
Valheita People don't like having their beliefs attacked because nobody knows how to attack beliefs. It's not rocket science. Don't get too vigorous, but bring up the problems.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:06 pm
Divine_Malevolence Valheita People don't like having their beliefs attacked because nobody knows how to attack beliefs. It's not rocket science. Don't get too vigorous, but bring up the problems. How do you determine a winner though? It's not like a logical debate after all.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:11 pm
Valheita Divine_Malevolence Valheita People don't like having their beliefs attacked because nobody knows how to attack beliefs. It's not rocket science. Don't get too vigorous, but bring up the problems. How do you determine a winner though? It's not like a logical debate after all. Sometimes you don't. If it comes to a point where nobody has lost, then everything is acceptable. At least to a degree.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:13 pm
Divine_Malevolence Valheita Divine_Malevolence Valheita People don't like having their beliefs attacked because nobody knows how to attack beliefs. It's not rocket science. Don't get too vigorous, but bring up the problems. How do you determine a winner though? It's not like a logical debate after all. Sometimes you don't. If it comes to a point where nobody has lost, then everything is acceptable. At least to a degree. If you cannot have a winner, how could you have a loser?
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Nespin Fernagon Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:20 pm
From an intellectual point of view, most people would like to know if their are fatal flaws with their beliefs.
Most people aren't entierly intellectual. Those pesky emotion things come into play - if you attack someone's beliefs, they feel like you're attacking them. In a way, you are. You're taking their world view, which they presumably got for a reason, and telling them it's incorrect. That's hard for folks to deal with.
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:27 pm
Nespin Fernagon From an intellectual point of view, most people would like to know if their are fatal flaws with their beliefs. Most people aren't entierly intellectual. Those pesky emotion things come into play - if you attack someone's beliefs, they feel like you're attacking them. In a way, you are. You're taking their world view, which they presumably got for a reason, and telling them it's incorrect. That's hard for folks to deal with. And that's what I don't get! Mayhaps I'm just raging against emotional people, but I don't get it. How could one invest themselves into a weak belief anyway. confused If everybody was logical...... The world would be more boring, but there would be far less problems!
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Nespin Fernagon Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:30 pm
Divine_Malevolence Nespin Fernagon From an intellectual point of view, most people would like to know if their are fatal flaws with their beliefs. Most people aren't entierly intellectual. Those pesky emotion things come into play - if you attack someone's beliefs, they feel like you're attacking them. In a way, you are. You're taking their world view, which they presumably got for a reason, and telling them it's incorrect. That's hard for folks to deal with. And that's what I don't get! Mayhaps I'm just raging against emotional people, but I don't get it. How could one invest themselves into a weak belief anyway. confused If everybody was logical...... The world would be more boring, but there would be far less problems! That might be true. Might not. Either way - you have the situation as it is. The logical thing to do would be to learn ways of dealing with it. It's great if you can take discussions about your beliefs impersonally, without getting riled up, but a lot of people can't. And, yeah, learning ways to deal with it be easier said than done.
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:11 am
I'd willingly fight for my beliefs, which are treat everyone equally and harm none. (Well, that sums it up rather tidily at least.)
There's a bit more to it, but seeing as I am confused as to my "faith" at the moment, I'm obviously not well armed enough to d-d-d-d-d-duel in a battle of beliefs with Div. cool
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:28 am
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In general, I dislike confrontation- but if an opportunity for a civilized discussion presents its self, I'll usually take the opportunity for beliefs of mine that I believe I can expand on or gain further insights on.
For example, I believe that organized religion is a bad idea but that faith is a GREAT idea. I don't like discussion religion because it tends to defend people, but if it comes up, I'll explain my logic and see if someone can convince me otherwise.
However, there are other issues that I'm really not willing to get into fights on because I know that my thoughts on them are sound. Such as my belief that women don't need babies to be happy. Personal family experience has proven this to me, I don't need a debate about it.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:33 am
♦ ♣ ♥ ♠ Daypaw ♦ ♣ ♥ ♠
In general, I dislike confrontation- but if an opportunity for a civilized discussion presents its self, I'll usually take the opportunity to discuss beliefs of mine that I believe I can expand on or gain further insights on.
For example, I believe that organized religion is a bad idea but that faith is a GREAT idea. I don't like discussion religion because it tends to offend people, but if it comes up, I'll explain my logic and see if someone can convince me otherwise.
However, there are other issues that I'm really not willing to get into fights on because I know that my thoughts on them are sound- such as my belief that women don't need babies to be happy. Personal family experience has proven this to me, I don't need a debate about it.
♦ ♣ ♥ ♠ Fixed. Leave it to me to fill it with freaking typos when the edit button is missing D;
Hopefully this version makes more sense.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:01 am
Faith..... More or less means self delusion. In truth, it means you're an optimist. And though pessimists are right more often, optimists live longer.
Organized religion, though, horrible thing. But so is organized most anything. Most governments are crappy, most organizations of any kind are crappy. I'm less peeved at them because they're not based entirely of deluding yourself, but still. Horrible things.
And people don't really need anything specific to be happy. There are all different types of people. Give me a bardiche and a half a dozen wooden posts and I'd be overjoyed.
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:53 pm
Well maybe it's in some peoples' beliefs not to fight whenever possible?
Even if it means being told yours is "wrong"
Because if it's really a belief, you won't have to fight to prove it's true
Because you'll know it's true
Or believe it is, anyway..
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:56 am
Yes Exactly if you fight about your beliefs then there is absolutly No point you think your right and the other person thinks their right NO ONE WINS so deal with it DON'T fight about it JUST WALK AWAY
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