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 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:57 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew Aakosir Lumanny the Space Jew Aakosir So the other day Israel boarded a supposed humanitarian flotilla and were greeted with clubs, knives and some guns. Israel defended themselves and killed "civilians". I was watching the Colbert Report and he had the Ambassador of Israel for the US on his show. The Ambassador said they were not civilians, but hired thugs from Gaza. I have read in a few different reports very different views.
What is your view on what happened?
Is the media trying to make Israel look bad?
I personally believe that Israel was right. They suspected the ship and boarded. They did not use force, might have just scared them a little, but anyone who encounters the military is going to be scared. But once they boarded they were attacked. I believe many people are leaving out that part. They make is seem as if Israel was the first to attack. ^ Yeah, that sounds like the usual sh*t. Israel peacefully investigates potential threat. Threat turns deadly and attacks. Israel defends self and eliminates threat. Media calls bloody murder on Israel. Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, everywhere. Israel has never fought another nation without prior attack from that nation. Israel only captures other nations' land when at war, and even then Israel trades it back for nothing but some peace, a break from the constant attacks from other countries. But some medium, usually a few media in fact, always has to demonize Israel by twisting her words and actions. This is nothing new, just the same old sh*t. Because Israel is largely Jewish. Hamas: I'm going to kill you, Israel! (Hamas takes out rifle) Israel: Who, whoa, can't we talk about this? Hamas: Stand still and let me aim! (Hamas aims rifle) Israel: Help, help! (Israel grabs a nearby baseball bat and hits Hamas) (Hamas falls over) CNN: Breaking News! The Jew just attacked that guy for no reason! Is there no stopping the bloodthirsty Israel?
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:55 am
Captain_Shinzo Lumanny the Space Jew Captain_Shinzo http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/06/how-free-explains-israels-flotilla-fiasco/
As I recall, the Unitarian Aid ship was carrying concrete to help rebuild the Gaza land after the attack.
Israel had noted that they did not know what they were armed with, but DID know they were armed with media technology such as Cameras and internet accounts. Israel's military laws as I am sure do not abide by attacking a boat without knowing what was on it. Israel could have easily made communications with the boat and everything would have been fine.
Instead, they had the border-line sea patrol board the boat and had to "defend" themselves from the incoming attackers.
Let's also not forget the Flotilla wads entering seas not controlled by Israel, Israel was bordering 2x or 3x what the UN clearly gave it in 1947 ( Or was it 1937? Damn...) and therefor could not count as blockade running. If Israel did what happened clearly between Turkey and Greece, no blood would have been shed. The problem isn't the Flotilla making the first move, but military officers boarding the Flotilla in the first place.
Deadly force was not needed, especially against a bunch of violent teenagers armed with sticks. Israel was not established until 1948. And 'teenagers with sticks?' Seriously? Come back when your facts are accurate.
As for the weapons, that might be a misconception from the sources that I posted above my information.
My vote still stands that contact was not made indirectly, which is what should have been done first.I've gone to a Zionist Jewish School for 10 years. Israel, established 1948. I've learned that for over 10 years. In fact, I recall celebrating its 62nd birthday at school just a few months ago. It's a national holiday in Israel. 62. 1948.
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:37 pm
I think you're forgetting the actual point of the conflict.
It's not that Israel is jewish and muslims hate jews. It's not that simple.
You are citing cases where attacks are made on Israel, but we must remember WHY. It's not simply a matter of Palestine being pissed off for no reason and hitting whoever is near them.
They are fighting over the land. And honestly, I support Palestine. Israel left for centuries. They were gone. Palestine moved in, israel came back and took the land back. People lost their homes. It was kind of a d**k move.
Think of it this way- The Native Americans suddenly want it all back. Your house, my house, Washington DC, New York City, everything. It was theirs, now it's not, now they want it again. They don't have the muscle to do it, but China does. So China forces us out, but lets us live in bordering areas, like texas, new mexico, florida, whatever the Native Americans don't want.
Who do you support here? The people who are moving into land they haven't had for centuries, or the people who are getting forced out of their homes?
Always consider the REASON for the issue at hand.
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:52 pm
divineseraph I think you're forgetting the actual point of the conflict. It's not that Israel is jewish and muslims hate jews. It's not that simple. You are citing cases where attacks are made on Israel, but we must remember WHY. It's not simply a matter of Palestine being pissed off for no reason and hitting whoever is near them. They are fighting over the land. And honestly, I support Palestine. Israel left for centuries. They were gone. Palestine moved in, israel came back and took the land back. People lost their homes. It was kind of a d**k move. Think of it this way- The Native Americans suddenly want it all back. Your house, my house, Washington DC, New York City, everything. It was theirs, now it's not, now they want it again. They don't have the muscle to do it, but China does. So China forces us out, but lets us live in bordering areas, like texas, new mexico, florida, whatever the Native Americans don't want. Who do you support here? The people who are moving into land they haven't had for centuries, or the people who are getting forced out of their homes? Always consider the REASON for the issue at hand. When the Jews returned from a millenia-long EXILE, much like the forced expulsion of the Native Americans, the land was obtained COMPLETELY LEGALLY. With the UN behind them, the British bought the land from the resident Arabs in a fair and square transaction. The Arabs were fine with it; they had absolutely no problem with selling that land. The problems only arose when the British gave that land to the Jews. You make it sound as though Israel wanted land and then just came in with tanks and captured it all. The reality is much more boring; the land was simply PURCHASED, with consent on both sides. If you sell something to someone, you can't just come in with guns blazing and demand it back when the buyer gives it to a third party you don't like. That is the buyer's right, to give it to whomever they please because it is THEIR property after they buy it. And when Israel captured more land while at war, she gave it back immediately in exchange for nothing but peace, which it should have already had in the first place.
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:16 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew divineseraph I think you're forgetting the actual point of the conflict. It's not that Israel is jewish and muslims hate jews. It's not that simple. You are citing cases where attacks are made on Israel, but we must remember WHY. It's not simply a matter of Palestine being pissed off for no reason and hitting whoever is near them. They are fighting over the land. And honestly, I support Palestine. Israel left for centuries. They were gone. Palestine moved in, israel came back and took the land back. People lost their homes. It was kind of a d**k move. Think of it this way- The Native Americans suddenly want it all back. Your house, my house, Washington DC, New York City, everything. It was theirs, now it's not, now they want it again. They don't have the muscle to do it, but China does. So China forces us out, but lets us live in bordering areas, like texas, new mexico, florida, whatever the Native Americans don't want. Who do you support here? The people who are moving into land they haven't had for centuries, or the people who are getting forced out of their homes? Always consider the REASON for the issue at hand. When the Jews returned from a millenia-long EXILE, much like the forced expulsion of the Native Americans, the land was obtained COMPLETELY LEGALLY. With the UN behind them, the British bought the land from the resident Arabs in a fair and square transaction. The Arabs were fine with it; they had absolutely no problem with selling that land. The problems only arose when the British gave that land to the Jews. You make it sound as though Israel wanted land and then just came in with tanks and captured it all. The reality is much more boring; the land was simply PURCHASED, with consent on both sides. If you sell something to someone, you can't just come in with guns blazing and demand it back when the buyer gives it to a third party you don't like. That is the buyer's right, to give it to whomever they please because it is THEIR property after they buy it. And when Israel captured more land while at war, she gave it back immediately in exchange for nothing but peace, which it should have already had in the first place. Legality means nothing. Slavery was done completely legally by our existing laws in America. A legal transaction doesn't mean a just one. Although I don't have enough information on this, I believe it is likely that Palestine was pushed out by technicalities and economic coercion. It is happening currently, after all, where property owned by palestinians is being sold out from under them because of an old contract that shouldn't be valid anymore.
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:43 am
divineseraph Lumanny the Space Jew divineseraph I think you're forgetting the actual point of the conflict. It's not that Israel is jewish and muslims hate jews. It's not that simple. You are citing cases where attacks are made on Israel, but we must remember WHY. It's not simply a matter of Palestine being pissed off for no reason and hitting whoever is near them. They are fighting over the land. And honestly, I support Palestine. Israel left for centuries. They were gone. Palestine moved in, israel came back and took the land back. People lost their homes. It was kind of a d**k move. Think of it this way- The Native Americans suddenly want it all back. Your house, my house, Washington DC, New York City, everything. It was theirs, now it's not, now they want it again. They don't have the muscle to do it, but China does. So China forces us out, but lets us live in bordering areas, like texas, new mexico, florida, whatever the Native Americans don't want. Who do you support here? The people who are moving into land they haven't had for centuries, or the people who are getting forced out of their homes? Always consider the REASON for the issue at hand. When the Jews returned from a millenia-long EXILE, much like the forced expulsion of the Native Americans, the land was obtained COMPLETELY LEGALLY. With the UN behind them, the British bought the land from the resident Arabs in a fair and square transaction. The Arabs were fine with it; they had absolutely no problem with selling that land. The problems only arose when the British gave that land to the Jews. You make it sound as though Israel wanted land and then just came in with tanks and captured it all. The reality is much more boring; the land was simply PURCHASED, with consent on both sides. If you sell something to someone, you can't just come in with guns blazing and demand it back when the buyer gives it to a third party you don't like. That is the buyer's right, to give it to whomever they please because it is THEIR property after they buy it. And when Israel captured more land while at war, she gave it back immediately in exchange for nothing but peace, which it should have already had in the first place. Legality means nothing. Slavery was done completely legally by our existing laws in America. A legal transaction doesn't mean a just one. Although I don't have enough information on this, I believe it is likely that Palestine was pushed out by technicalities and economic coercion. It is happening currently, after all, where property owned by palestinians is being sold out from under them because of an old contract that shouldn't be valid anymore. I can already see people not believing you, so source: http://www.en.justjlm.org/?page_id=2This happens legally, it is still, however, no where near "right".
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:34 am
divineseraph Lumanny the Space Jew divineseraph I think you're forgetting the actual point of the conflict. It's not that Israel is jewish and muslims hate jews. It's not that simple. You are citing cases where attacks are made on Israel, but we must remember WHY. It's not simply a matter of Palestine being pissed off for no reason and hitting whoever is near them. They are fighting over the land. And honestly, I support Palestine. Israel left for centuries. They were gone. Palestine moved in, israel came back and took the land back. People lost their homes. It was kind of a d**k move. Think of it this way- The Native Americans suddenly want it all back. Your house, my house, Washington DC, New York City, everything. It was theirs, now it's not, now they want it again. They don't have the muscle to do it, but China does. So China forces us out, but lets us live in bordering areas, like texas, new mexico, florida, whatever the Native Americans don't want. Who do you support here? The people who are moving into land they haven't had for centuries, or the people who are getting forced out of their homes? Always consider the REASON for the issue at hand. When the Jews returned from a millenia-long EXILE, much like the forced expulsion of the Native Americans, the land was obtained COMPLETELY LEGALLY. With the UN behind them, the British bought the land from the resident Arabs in a fair and square transaction. The Arabs were fine with it; they had absolutely no problem with selling that land. The problems only arose when the British gave that land to the Jews. You make it sound as though Israel wanted land and then just came in with tanks and captured it all. The reality is much more boring; the land was simply PURCHASED, with consent on both sides. If you sell something to someone, you can't just come in with guns blazing and demand it back when the buyer gives it to a third party you don't like. That is the buyer's right, to give it to whomever they please because it is THEIR property after they buy it. And when Israel captured more land while at war, she gave it back immediately in exchange for nothing but peace, which it should have already had in the first place. Legality means nothing. Slavery was done completely legally by our existing laws in America. A legal transaction doesn't mean a just one. Although I don't have enough information on this, I believe it is likely that Palestine was pushed out by technicalities and economic coercion. It is happening currently, after all, where property owned by palestinians is being sold out from under them because of an old contract that shouldn't be valid anymore. The Palestinians consented. The Palestinians had no prblem with selling the land to Britain until Britain gave it to the Jews.
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:02 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew divineseraph Lumanny the Space Jew divineseraph I think you're forgetting the actual point of the conflict. It's not that Israel is jewish and muslims hate jews. It's not that simple. You are citing cases where attacks are made on Israel, but we must remember WHY. It's not simply a matter of Palestine being pissed off for no reason and hitting whoever is near them. They are fighting over the land. And honestly, I support Palestine. Israel left for centuries. They were gone. Palestine moved in, israel came back and took the land back. People lost their homes. It was kind of a d**k move. Think of it this way- The Native Americans suddenly want it all back. Your house, my house, Washington DC, New York City, everything. It was theirs, now it's not, now they want it again. They don't have the muscle to do it, but China does. So China forces us out, but lets us live in bordering areas, like texas, new mexico, florida, whatever the Native Americans don't want. Who do you support here? The people who are moving into land they haven't had for centuries, or the people who are getting forced out of their homes? Always consider the REASON for the issue at hand. When the Jews returned from a millenia-long EXILE, much like the forced expulsion of the Native Americans, the land was obtained COMPLETELY LEGALLY. With the UN behind them, the British bought the land from the resident Arabs in a fair and square transaction. The Arabs were fine with it; they had absolutely no problem with selling that land. The problems only arose when the British gave that land to the Jews. You make it sound as though Israel wanted land and then just came in with tanks and captured it all. The reality is much more boring; the land was simply PURCHASED, with consent on both sides. If you sell something to someone, you can't just come in with guns blazing and demand it back when the buyer gives it to a third party you don't like. That is the buyer's right, to give it to whomever they please because it is THEIR property after they buy it. And when Israel captured more land while at war, she gave it back immediately in exchange for nothing but peace, which it should have already had in the first place. Legality means nothing. Slavery was done completely legally by our existing laws in America. A legal transaction doesn't mean a just one. Although I don't have enough information on this, I believe it is likely that Palestine was pushed out by technicalities and economic coercion. It is happening currently, after all, where property owned by palestinians is being sold out from under them because of an old contract that shouldn't be valid anymore. The Palestinians consented. The Palestinians had no prblem with selling the land to Britain until Britain gave it to the Jews.
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